Exactly right Christopher. As crazyeyez says below, people are dumb. This is true of people like him or her who insult others over a petition they haven't even bothered to read for themselves.
Sherry Wells -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 5:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org If you're truly concerned about posts and traffic on this list, I'd encourage you to follow the moderators request at the bottom of every post to this list, namely " If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself." I read the petition myself, and I didn't see where the petitioner did anything dumb or stupid. They were bringing up the point that Apple had such a serious VoiceOver bug in the beta that a blind person couldn't participate. Did you read the petition yourself or were you just basing your opinion on what someone said about the petition? -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > CrazyEyez > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:47 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > Honestly, people are dumb. > They'll start a petition over anything, even if its their fault something > happened. > I don't feel bad for you in the least. > We should start a petition to remove the idiot who started this whole > mess from the list so they don't clog our emails with their wining. > Moderator remove this garbage thread please. > It shows true stupidity. > Where has the comprehension gone? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Donna Casteen <mermaid71...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This > > petition was started > because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER > install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main > device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta update & > installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they RELY on & > USE daily! Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. The fact that > Apple is a company that stands behind their products making them > accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, does NOT > exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor does this bug > prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing process. > Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL Apple > watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the bug. > Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing > the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the > public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing > Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is wrong. > The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor > judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is used > daily. > > > > It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's > > beta testing > program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of the iDevices > would always have major bugs, making the iDevices unusable. Apple is a > large company. The population that is blind & who use Apple products > is very small. If this type of placing blame where it is obvious it > does not belong & publically criticizing Apple for something that at > the time was out of their control, but Apple was working toward fixing: Apple > is in the end going to do 1 of 2 things 1. > No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process. > Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. Apple throws > in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products accessible for such > a small population of people. > Neither of these scenarios are in the best interest of blind iDevice users. > > > > When beta testing follow Apple's guidelines or otherwise DO NOT > > complain > when your device stops working! > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > > list, or if you > feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. 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