Donna, Imagine that apple has been released a version for the iphone, with no voiceover enabled. What will you do? Jonathan Mosen started this petition, and he is right. Apple is sending a message that’s blind people is not a priority. I hope, really hope, that’s its just a beta, and will not be an official release or will not move to the iphone.
I'm encareging you all to sign this petition at http://chng.it/T8yHvmCwKw Afik. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 3:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org Jonathan, the individual who started the petition, isn't the person who installed the public beta on his Apple watch. The individual who installed the public beta knows Jonathan in someway. I am searching, but can't recall if the individual who installed the public beta complained on a group.io email group or in a Facebook group. The public beta was not accessible to voiceover users for ONLY one week. This voiceover bug occurred 1-2 weeks ago, at the beginning of the public beta testing Or shortly after the public beta testing started. One week not being able to beta test isn't the end of the world. Apple has since fixed the problem to my knowledge, so all is well for voiceover public beta testers who are beta testing using their Apple watch. Those voiceover public beta testers using an iPhone or an iPad was not affected. So voiceover users were NOT excluded in public beta testing altogether. Giving these facts the petition is unwarranted. > > If you're truly concerned about posts and traffic on this list, I'd > encourage you to follow the moderators request at the bottom of every post to > this list, namely " If you have any questions or concerns about the running > of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > itself." > > I read the petition myself, and I didn't see where the petitioner did > anything dumb or stupid. They were bringing up the point that Apple had such > a serious VoiceOver bug in the beta that a blind person couldn't participate. > Did you read the petition yourself or were you just basing your opinion on > what someone said about the petition? > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of CrazyEyez >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:47 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> Honestly, people are dumb. >> They'll start a petition over anything, even if its their fault something >> happened. >> I don't feel bad for you in the least. >> We should start a petition to remove the idiot who started this whole >> mess from the list so they don't clog our emails with their wining. >> Moderator remove this garbage thread please. >> It shows true stupidity. >> Where has the comprehension gone? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Donna Casteen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This >>> petition was started >> because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER >> install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main >> device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta update & >> installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they RELY on & >> USE daily! Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. The fact >> that Apple is a company that stands behind their products making them >> accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, does NOT >> exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor does this bug >> prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing process. >> Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL Apple >> watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the bug. >> Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing >> the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the >> public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing >> Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is wrong. >> The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor >> judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is used >> daily. >>> >>> It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's >>> beta testing >> program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of the iDevices >> would always have major bugs, making the iDevices unusable. Apple is >> a large company. The population that is blind & who use Apple >> products is very small. If this type of placing blame where it is >> obvious it does not belong & publically criticizing Apple for >> something that at the time was out of their control, but Apple was working >> toward fixing: Apple is in the end going to do 1 of 2 things 1. >> No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process. >> Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. 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