It's only to put people down when they don't think like you. Being blind has nothing to do with it.
On 8/17/20, chalt...@gmail.com <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > And the blindness community is also accused of over reacting and being too > sensitive, e.g. the reaction to this petition. IMHO, both statements are > prejudicial. The blindness community is no different then the sighted > community, where you have a lot of people who don't care and a lot of people > who are overly sensitive. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Gmail > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >> Of Davy Cuppens >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 3:21 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding >> disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> Thats the whole problem of the blind community sit back and relax! And do >> nothing! Moan and complain about bugs on forums for the blind and for the >> rest >> DO NOTHING!!!! Nothing at all! >> I live in Belgium and 3 of the most read newspapers in Flanders are >> totally 100% >> inaccessible with voiceover!!! Whenever you open an article the app will >> close >> when using voiceover. >> >> I am the only blind chap that lodged a complaint against the app >> distributors but >> standing alone I can do nothing, therefore I urge people on the list not >> to tell but >> even bomb bomb and bomb again Apples's servers with our accessibility >> bug >> reports! >> >> I have called an Apple employee about the brail bug that when typing >> numbers >> and hearing voiceover speaking other signs or the bug with the phone >> trying to >> unlock the screen when listening to music with wired earpads, they got >> very few >> reports about that. >> For those so I guess 97% of the community being reluctant to report errors >> I'd >> advice maybe to buy a perkins brail machine again for typing purposes and >> an >> abacus as a calculator. >> Davy >> Davy >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> From: Peter Logan >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 3:01 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding >> disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> Can't agree more .. I also installed the beta .. without reading the >> release notes >> .. so it's on me .. not Apple .. and I will wait for it to get fixed .. >> I'm not going to >> scream and holler at Apple for my stupidity .. >> Everyone needs to just relax .. Until this go around .. there wasn't even >> a Watch >> beta .. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >> Of Donna Casteen >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 2:17 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully >> excluding >> disabled people from public betas · Change.org >> >> I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This petition was >> started >> because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER install >> beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main device! >> Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta update & installed the >> beta >> version on their Apple watch that they RELY on & USE daily! Beta versions >> of >> any program WILL have bugs. The fact that Apple is a company that stands >> behind their products making them accessible for the blind & those with >> other >> disabilities, does NOT exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having >> bugs. >> Nor does this bug prevent those who are blind taking part in the public >> beta >> testing process. Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated >> with >> ALL Apple watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of >> the bug. Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on >> fixing >> the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the public >> beta >> testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing Apple for a >> problem >> that they were working toward fixing, is wrong. The Blame solely lies with >> Apple >> watch user(s), who in their poor judgement decided to install the public >> beta on >> a device, in which is used daily. >> >> It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's beta >> testing >> program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of the iDevices would >> always have major bugs, making the iDevices unusable. Apple is a large >> company. The population that is blind & who use Apple products is very >> small. If >> this type of placing blame where it is obvious it does not belong & >> publically >> criticizing Apple for something that at the time was out of their >> control, but >> Apple was working toward fixing: Apple is in the end going to do 1 of 2 >> things 1. >> No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process. Apple >> can do >> this by stopping all public beta testing. >> 2. Apple throws in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products >> accessible for such a small population of people. Neither of these >> scenarios are >> in the best interest of blind iDevice users. >> >> When beta testing follow Apple's guidelines or otherwise DO NOT complain >> when your device stops working! >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel >> that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators >> directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. 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