But for that I must say Richard is also right.
This posting was about beta and should have been discussed before first with
the mods of this group. In that point I agree with everyone not liking this
kind of post.
But please folks do report your problems with Apple and it is good to
mention it on forums and if bugs are confirmed by others! Please do report
to accessibility if you want change.
Davy
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org
At the risk of stepping on toes, all of you who are publicly criticizing
CrazyEyez are violating the same list rule to write the moderator directly,
instead of posting to the list.
Perhaps the moderator, Mark Taylor, will come back to moderating or appoint
someone else to do so.
I am simply going to try to mute this thread as it is no longer useful.
Yes, I am doing this publicly but I don't have time to write each individual
to ask them to cease this nonsense.
Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
Herbert
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:38 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org
Exactly right Christopher.
As crazyeyez says below, people are dumb. This is true of people like him
or her who insult others over a petition they haven't even bothered to read
for themselves.
Sherry Wells
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 5:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Petition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org
If you're truly concerned about posts and traffic on this list, I'd
encourage you to follow the moderators request at the bottom of every post
to this list, namely " If you have any questions or concerns about the
running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the
list itself."
I read the petition myself, and I didn't see where the petitioner did
anything dumb or stupid. They were bringing up the point that Apple had such
a serious VoiceOver bug in the beta that a blind person couldn't
participate. Did you read the petition yourself or were you just basing your
opinion on what someone said about the petition?
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Chaltain at Gmail
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
CrazyEyez
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully
excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org
Honestly, people are dumb.
They'll start a petition over anything, even if its their fault something
happened.
I don't feel bad for you in the least.
We should start a petition to remove the idiot who started this whole
mess from the list so they don't clog our emails with their wining.
Moderator remove this garbage thread please.
It shows true stupidity.
Where has the comprehension gone?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Donna Casteen <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This
> petition was started
because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER
install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main
device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta update &
installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they RELY on &
USE daily! Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. The fact that
Apple is a company that stands behind their products making them
accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, does NOT
exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor does this bug
prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta testing
process.
Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with ALL Apple
watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the bug.
Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing
the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the
public beta testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing
Apple for a problem that they were working toward fixing, is wrong.
The Blame solely lies with Apple watch user(s), who in their poor
judgement decided to install the public beta on a device, in which is used
daily.
>
> It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's
> beta testing
program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of the iDevices
would always have major bugs, making the iDevices unusable. Apple is a
large company. The population that is blind & who use Apple products
is very small. If this type of placing blame where it is obvious it
does not belong & publically criticizing Apple for something that at
the time was out of their control, but Apple was working toward fixing:
Apple is in the end going to do 1 of 2 things 1.
No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing process.
Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. Apple throws
in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products accessible for
such a small population of people.
Neither of these scenarios are in the best interest of blind iDevice
users.
>
> When beta testing follow Apple's guidelines or otherwise DO NOT
> complain
when your device stops working!
>
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