Hi, i have an iPhone XS and i have lags with Voice Over. When i am. Entering to Voice Over Settings when braille display is connected Voice Over crashing to me nun stop. I csn't tyeping on my braille display in Hebrew language only in English.
נשלח מה-iPhone שלי > ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 16:38, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> כתב/ה: > > > VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, that > is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible apps, > not system wide. > Devin Prater > sent from Gmail. > > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> >> wrote: >> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. >> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the >> drawing board and not released. >> It is mostly useless. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward >> Herbert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything >> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as >> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in >> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, >> and it seems to be fine. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Cristóbal Muñoz >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> Hi, >> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send >> anything to Apple. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Cristóbal Muñoz >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of >> whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition >> feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. >> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO >> element bug either. >> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0 >> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I >> provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. >> Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could >> share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I >> needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said >> that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and >> swiped. >> Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to >> Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and >> disruptive bug. >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Wayne >> Merritt >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone >> after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no >> issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. >> Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 >> until Apple puts out fixes. >> >> Wayne >> >> On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even >> > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It >> > really does make apps unusable. >> > >> > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary >> > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll >> > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another >> > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked >> > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. >> > Not… ideal. >> > >> > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just >> > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the >> > phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted >> > to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke >> > dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands >> > instead of just one hand which is more annoying. >> > >> > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts >> > of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets >> > stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. >> > >> > VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s >> > one of those well intentione things where more description is better, >> > but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. >> > >> > I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cristóbal >> > >> > >> > >> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> > Richard Turner >> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM >> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> > Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> > Applevis.com >> > >> > >> > >> > Applevis listed no serious bugs. >> > >> > >> > >> > Moderate Bugs >> > >> > * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your >> > device >> > might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should >> > be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we >> > believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One >> > workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit >> > this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a >> > voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to >> > add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in >> > that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to >> > switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our >> > experience indicates that the latter workaround can make VoiceOver and >> > your device more responsive, even though you are still using the same >> > voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been suggested >> > that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice can >> > resolve this behavior. >> > * On some web pages in Safari; web views in apps; and pages in apps, >> > you may >> > find that VoiceOver focus will spontaneously ‘jump’ to another UI element. >> > This behaviour does not appear to be widespread, but can make >> > navigation difficult and confusing when it does occur. One example of >> > this behaviour can typically be seen with Google search results when >> > using the VoiceOver rotor to navigate by heading. Similar behaviour >> > has also been noticed inside some apps. Our suspicion is that this is >> > when an app uses HTML in the code that generates the page. One example >> > of this behaviour in an app is the App Store app. In this app, if you >> > go to the Today tab; double tap on “My Account”; and then double-tap on >> > your name, the contents of the ‘Account’ >> > page and many that it link to are extremely difficult to navigate due >> > to VoiceOver focus constantly ‘jumping’. >> > * When editing a typed note using a braille display, information about >> > the >> > text field will randomly display and cause VoiceOver to wrongly show >> > the cursor at the top of the document. >> > * The ‘Radio’ tab in the native Music app contains some graphical UI >> > elements which are not recognized by VoiceOver and can interfere with >> > the movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through the contents of this >> > tab. >> > This behaviour may understandably have you assume that there is >> > nothing more on this screen, when in fact there is. To fully discover >> > everything which is accessible on this screen, we recommend that you >> > make use of the 3 finger swipe up or down to scroll the screen >> > contents and explore using a combination of touch, the scroll bar, and >> > swiping. Additionally, you are likely to encounter a number of “Play” >> > and “Schedule” buttons on this tab, where the UI element they are >> > associated with is not recognized or spoken by VoiceOver. >> > * There are a number of issues with the new widgets introduced with >> > iOS 14 >> > and iPadOS 14. In some cases, this results in VoiceOver focus getting >> > ‘stuck’ when swiping through widgets on the Today view or the Today >> > view not scrolling to make all widgets accessible to VoiceOver. Also, >> > on occasions, the VoiceOver rotor's Action menu may not be present or >> > work as expected on stacked widgets. >> > * The performance of Apple's new VoiceOver recognition features is >> > inconsistent and unreliable, particularly that of Screen Recognition. >> > It should be noted that these features are a work-in-progress, and >> > your mileage may vary. As things are now, you should expect to find >> > that there will be situations where having one or more of these >> > features enabled will provide a worse experience than having them disabled. >> > * The Detected Text feature that's part of the VoiceOver Recognition >> > features does not work with braille displays. >> > >> > Minor Bugs >> > >> > * There are situations system-wide where you will find that some >> > VoiceOver >> > voices will announce punctuation such as apostrophes and quotation >> > marks when they should not be spoken. One workaround is to switch to a >> > voice that does not exhibit this behaviour. A slightly more involved >> > workaround is to add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set >> > the voice in that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use >> > the rotor to switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. >> > Note that it may take some trial and error to find a voice that will >> > behave as expected for your specific region and language needs. >> > * After assigning a braille display command to VoiceOver Recognition, >> > pressing the command will not toggle the feature. >> > * When using a braille display, after modifying the layout of the Home >> > screen (such as adding or deleting an app), pressing space with dots >> > 4-5-6 no longer functions. >> > * On occasions, when editing the Today view, it is not possible to >> > swipe to >> > the ‘Done’ and ‘Add Widget' buttons located at the top of the screen >> > (note that they can be located by touch). >> > * On occasions, when editing the App Library screen available on iOS >> > 14, it >> > is not possible to swipe to the ‘Done’ button located at the top of >> > the screen (note that it can be located by touch). >> > * On occasions, VoiceOver will not announce “Control Center” when the >> > Control Center is activated. >> > * In the Translate app that's new in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14, , the ‘drag’ >> > options available from the VoiceOver rotor when on translated items do >> > not work. >> > * VoiceOver speaks “New line” when announcing the languages in the new >> > Translate app. For example, “Spanish Spain” is spoken as “Spanish. New >> > line. >> > Spain.” >> > * In the Translate app, there is an unlabelled UI element on the Listen >> > screen. If you activate the ‘Listen’ button and swipe to explore the >> > screen, you will notice a dimmed text field, a 'Close’ button, as well >> > as an element that is not identified by VoiceOver and which does not >> > appear to do anything when activated. >> > * On iPhone or iPod touch and in the last page of a Home screen folder, >> > performing a three-finger swipe to the left will wrongly load the App >> > Library. >> > * When navigating the App Library on iPhone or iPod touch using the >> > Containers option from VoiceOver's rotor, the page does not scroll >> > beyond what is currently visually on screen. >> > * When running a Shortcut that prompts the user to select from a menu, >> > VoiceOver users are unable to dismiss the menu with a gesture >> > (something which can be done when VoiceOver is not enabled). >> > >> > If you encounter any additional accessibility bugs in iOS 14 or iPadOS >> > 14, please let others know by posting a reply below. When doing so, >> > please provide as much information as possible so that others know >> > exactly what to expect; when and where the problem occurs; and any >> > possible workarounds you have found. >> > >> > Accessibility Improvements in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14 >> > >> > Our testing suggests that the following pre-existing accessibility >> > bugs have been resolved or partially addressed in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14: >> > >> > * Apple has continued to make improvements in regard to the >> > consistency and >> > reliability of behavior when both Dark Mode and Smart Invert are enabled. >> > There are still situations system-wide where the colors used may not >> > be optimal or consistent in behavior, but our experience suggests that >> > these are fewer in number. The color inversion of websites in Safari >> > also appears to be improved; and our suspicion is that in some cases >> > where this does not work as desired, it is actually due to the website >> > rather than iOS and iPadOS. >> > * When deleting text from a text field, the audio and haptic feedback >> > that >> > follows each deletion is no longer that which should indicate that you >> > have reached the start of the text field (unless you actually have). >> > * When answering a phone call using the 2-finger Double-Tap ('Magic >> > Tap') >> > gesture, the vibrations which accompany the ringer now stop as soon as >> > the gesture is performed. >> > * When listening to an audio file in the Files app, flicking up or >> > down on >> > the playback scrubber control will now move the playback position. >> > * You can now navigate by line when composing a message in the Mail >> > app, >> > although there is no audible feedback as you would expect (and is what >> > you hear when navigating by character or word). >> > * Apple has made some improvements in regard to the frequency and >> > number of >> > situations in which VoiceOver focus will spontaneously 'jump' to >> > another UI element. There are still some occasions when this does >> > happen (most notably the behavior in Safari and some apps mentioned in >> > our list of new moderate bugs), but this issue appears to be much improved. >> > * The Edit menu in VoiceOver's rotor is now more consistently and >> > reliably >> > present when VoiceOver focus is in a text field. >> > * The Two-Finger Double-Tap ('Magic Tap') gesture once again reliably >> > works >> > to pause and resume audio playback in Safari. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Richard >> > >> > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >> > pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >> > ancient hatreds among peoples. 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