Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the drawing board and not released. It is mostly useless.
Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, and it seems to be fine. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Hi, I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send anything to Apple. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element bug either. https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0 I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and swiped. Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and disruptive bug. Cristóbal -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. Wayne On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com> wrote: > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It > really does make apps unusable. > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. > Not… ideal. > > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the > phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted > to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke > dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands > instead of just one hand which is more annoying. > > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts > of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets > stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. > > VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s > one of those well intentione things where more description is better, > but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. > > I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > > > Applevis listed no serious bugs. > > > > Moderate Bugs > > * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device > might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should > be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we > believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One > workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit > this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a > voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to > add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in > that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to > switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our > experience indicates that the latter workaround can make VoiceOver and > your device more responsive, even though you are still using the same > voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been suggested > that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice can resolve > this behavior. > * On some web pages in Safari; web views in apps; and pages in apps, you > may > find that VoiceOver focus will spontaneously ‘jump’ to another UI element. > This behaviour does not appear to be widespread, but can make > navigation difficult and confusing when it does occur. One example of > this behaviour can typically be seen with Google search results when > using the VoiceOver rotor to navigate by heading. Similar behaviour > has also been noticed inside some apps. Our suspicion is that this is > when an app uses HTML in the code that generates the page. One example > of this behaviour in an app is the App Store app. In this app, if you > go to the Today tab; double tap on “My Account”; and then double-tap on your > name, the contents of the ‘Account’ > page and many that it link to are extremely difficult to navigate due > to VoiceOver focus constantly ‘jumping’. > * When editing a typed note using a braille display, information about the > text field will randomly display and cause VoiceOver to wrongly show > the cursor at the top of the document. > * The ‘Radio’ tab in the native Music app contains some graphical UI > elements which are not recognized by VoiceOver and can interfere with > the movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through the contents of this tab. > This behaviour may understandably have you assume that there is > nothing more on this screen, when in fact there is. To fully discover > everything which is accessible on this screen, we recommend that you > make use of the 3 finger swipe up or down to scroll the screen > contents and explore using a combination of touch, the scroll bar, and > swiping. Additionally, you are likely to encounter a number of “Play” > and “Schedule” buttons on this tab, where the UI element they are > associated with is not recognized or spoken by VoiceOver. > * There are a number of issues with the new widgets introduced with iOS 14 > and iPadOS 14. In some cases, this results in VoiceOver focus getting > ‘stuck’ when swiping through widgets on the Today view or the Today > view not scrolling to make all widgets accessible to VoiceOver. Also, > on occasions, the VoiceOver rotor's Action menu may not be present or > work as expected on stacked widgets. > * The performance of Apple's new VoiceOver recognition features is > inconsistent and unreliable, particularly that of Screen Recognition. > It should be noted that these features are a work-in-progress, and > your mileage may vary. As things are now, you should expect to find > that there will be situations where having one or more of these > features enabled will provide a worse experience than having them disabled. > * The Detected Text feature that's part of the VoiceOver Recognition > features does not work with braille displays. > > Minor Bugs > > * There are situations system-wide where you will find that some VoiceOver > voices will announce punctuation such as apostrophes and quotation > marks when they should not be spoken. One workaround is to switch to a > voice that does not exhibit this behaviour. A slightly more involved > workaround is to add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set > the voice in that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use > the rotor to switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. > Note that it may take some trial and error to find a voice that will > behave as expected for your specific region and language needs. > * After assigning a braille display command to VoiceOver Recognition, > pressing the command will not toggle the feature. > * When using a braille display, after modifying the layout of the Home > screen (such as adding or deleting an app), pressing space with dots > 4-5-6 no longer functions. > * On occasions, when editing the Today view, it is not possible to swipe > to > the ‘Done’ and ‘Add Widget' buttons located at the top of the screen > (note that they can be located by touch). > * On occasions, when editing the App Library screen available on iOS 14, > it > is not possible to swipe to the ‘Done’ button located at the top of > the screen (note that it can be located by touch). > * On occasions, VoiceOver will not announce “Control Center” when the > Control Center is activated. > * In the Translate app that's new in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14, , the ‘drag’ > options available from the VoiceOver rotor when on translated items do > not work. > * VoiceOver speaks “New line” when announcing the languages in the new > Translate app. For example, “Spanish Spain” is spoken as “Spanish. New line. > Spain.” > * In the Translate app, there is an unlabelled UI element on the Listen > screen. If you activate the ‘Listen’ button and swipe to explore the > screen, you will notice a dimmed text field, a 'Close’ button, as well > as an element that is not identified by VoiceOver and which does not > appear to do anything when activated. > * On iPhone or iPod touch and in the last page of a Home screen folder, > performing a three-finger swipe to the left will wrongly load the App > Library. > * When navigating the App Library on iPhone or iPod touch using the > Containers option from VoiceOver's rotor, the page does not scroll > beyond what is currently visually on screen. > * When running a Shortcut that prompts the user to select from a menu, > VoiceOver users are unable to dismiss the menu with a gesture > (something which can be done when VoiceOver is not enabled). > > If you encounter any additional accessibility bugs in iOS 14 or iPadOS > 14, please let others know by posting a reply below. When doing so, > please provide as much information as possible so that others know > exactly what to expect; when and where the problem occurs; and any > possible workarounds you have found. > > Accessibility Improvements in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14 > > Our testing suggests that the following pre-existing accessibility > bugs have been resolved or partially addressed in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14: > > * Apple has continued to make improvements in regard to the consistency > and > reliability of behavior when both Dark Mode and Smart Invert are enabled. > There are still situations system-wide where the colors used may not > be optimal or consistent in behavior, but our experience suggests that > these are fewer in number. The color inversion of websites in Safari > also appears to be improved; and our suspicion is that in some cases > where this does not work as desired, it is actually due to the website > rather than iOS and iPadOS. > * When deleting text from a text field, the audio and haptic feedback that > follows each deletion is no longer that which should indicate that you > have reached the start of the text field (unless you actually have). > * When answering a phone call using the 2-finger Double-Tap ('Magic Tap') > gesture, the vibrations which accompany the ringer now stop as soon as > the gesture is performed. > * When listening to an audio file in the Files app, flicking up or down on > the playback scrubber control will now move the playback position. > * You can now navigate by line when composing a message in the Mail app, > although there is no audible feedback as you would expect (and is what > you hear when navigating by character or word). > * Apple has made some improvements in regard to the frequency and number > of > situations in which VoiceOver focus will spontaneously 'jump' to > another UI element. There are still some occasions when this does > happen (most notably the behavior in Safari and some apps mentioned in > our list of new moderate bugs), but this issue appears to be much improved. > * The Edit menu in VoiceOver's rotor is now more consistently and reliably > present when VoiceOver focus is in a text field. > * The Two-Finger Double-Tap ('Magic Tap') gesture once again reliably > works > to pause and resume audio playback in Safari. > > > > > > > > Richard > > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must > pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of > ancient hatreds among peoples. 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