I'm not going to be updating just yet. I kind of like 13.7. On 9/17/20, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote: > Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. > The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the > drawing board and not released. > It is mostly useless. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything > that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as > messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in > settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, > and it seems to be fine. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? > > Cristóbal > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Hi, > I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send > anything to Apple. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of > whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition > feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. > It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO > element bug either. > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content&data=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235&sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D&reserved=0 > I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I > provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. > Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could > share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I > needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said > that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and > swiped. > Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to > Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and > disruptive bug. > > Cristóbal > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Wayne > Merritt > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone > after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no > issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. > Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 > until Apple puts out fixes. > > Wayne > > On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even >> after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It >> really does make apps unusable. >> >> The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary >> language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll >> usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another >> finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked >> fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. >> Not… ideal. >> >> VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just >> flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the >> phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted >> to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke >> dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands >> instead of just one hand which is more annoying. >> >> Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts >> of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets >> stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. >> >> VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s >> one of those well intentione things where more description is better, >> but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. >> >> I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. >> >> >> >> Cristóbal >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Richard Turner >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> >> >> Applevis listed no serious bugs. >> >> >> >> Moderate Bugs >> >> * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device >> might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should >> be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we >> believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One >> workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit >> this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a >> voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to >> add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in >> that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to >> switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our >> experience indicates that the latter workaround can make VoiceOver and >> your device more responsive, even though you are still using the same >> voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been suggested >> that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice can >> resolve this behavior. >> * On some web pages in Safari; web views in apps; and pages in apps, you >> may >> find that VoiceOver focus will spontaneously ‘jump’ to another UI >> element. >> This behaviour does not appear to be widespread, but can make >> navigation difficult and confusing when it does occur. One example of >> this behaviour can typically be seen with Google search results when >> using the VoiceOver rotor to navigate by heading. Similar behaviour >> has also been noticed inside some apps. Our suspicion is that this is >> when an app uses HTML in the code that generates the page. One example >> of this behaviour in an app is the App Store app. In this app, if you >> go to the Today tab; double tap on “My Account”; and then double-tap on >> your name, the contents of the ‘Account’ >> page and many that it link to are extremely difficult to navigate due >> to VoiceOver focus constantly ‘jumping’. >> * When editing a typed note using a braille display, information about >> the >> text field will randomly display and cause VoiceOver to wrongly show >> the cursor at the top of the document. >> * The ‘Radio’ tab in the native Music app contains some graphical UI >> elements which are not recognized by VoiceOver and can interfere with >> the movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through the contents of this >> tab. >> This behaviour may understandably have you assume that there is >> nothing more on this screen, when in fact there is. To fully discover >> everything which is accessible on this screen, we recommend that you >> make use of the 3 finger swipe up or down to scroll the screen >> contents and explore using a combination of touch, the scroll bar, and >> swiping. Additionally, you are likely to encounter a number of “Play” >> and “Schedule” buttons on this tab, where the UI element they are >> associated with is not recognized or spoken by VoiceOver. >> * There are a number of issues with the new widgets introduced with iOS >> 14 >> and iPadOS 14. In some cases, this results in VoiceOver focus getting >> ‘stuck’ when swiping through widgets on the Today view or the Today >> view not scrolling to make all widgets accessible to VoiceOver. Also, >> on occasions, the VoiceOver rotor's Action menu may not be present or >> work as expected on stacked widgets. >> * The performance of Apple's new VoiceOver recognition features is >> inconsistent and unreliable, particularly that of Screen Recognition. >> It should be noted that these features are a work-in-progress, and >> your mileage may vary. As things are now, you should expect to find >> that there will be situations where having one or more of these >> features enabled will provide a worse experience than having them >> disabled. >> * The Detected Text feature that's part of the VoiceOver Recognition >> features does not work with braille displays. >> >> Minor Bugs >> >> * There are situations system-wide where you will find that some >> VoiceOver >> voices will announce punctuation such as apostrophes and quotation >> marks when they should not be spoken. One workaround is to switch to a >> voice that does not exhibit this behaviour. A slightly more involved >> workaround is to add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set >> the voice in that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use >> the rotor to switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. >> Note that it may take some trial and error to find a voice that will >> behave as expected for your specific region and language needs. >> * After assigning a braille display command to VoiceOver Recognition, >> pressing the command will not toggle the feature. >> * When using a braille display, after modifying the layout of the Home >> screen (such as adding or deleting an app), pressing space with dots >> 4-5-6 no longer functions. >> * On occasions, when editing the Today view, it is not possible to swipe >> to >> the ‘Done’ and ‘Add Widget' buttons located at the top of the screen >> (note that they can be located by touch). >> * On occasions, when editing the App Library screen available on iOS 14, >> it >> is not possible to swipe to the ‘Done’ button located at the top of >> the screen (note that it can be located by touch). >> * On occasions, VoiceOver will not announce “Control Center” when the >> Control Center is activated. >> * In the Translate app that's new in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14, , the ‘drag’ >> options available from the VoiceOver rotor when on translated items do >> not work. >> * VoiceOver speaks “New line” when announcing the languages in the new >> Translate app. For example, “Spanish Spain” is spoken as “Spanish. New >> line. >> Spain.” >> * In the Translate app, there is an unlabelled UI element on the Listen >> screen. If you activate the ‘Listen’ button and swipe to explore the >> screen, you will notice a dimmed text field, a 'Close’ button, as well >> as an element that is not identified by VoiceOver and which does not >> appear to do anything when activated. >> * On iPhone or iPod touch and in the last page of a Home screen folder, >> performing a three-finger swipe to the left will wrongly load the App >> Library. >> * When navigating the App Library on iPhone or iPod touch using the >> Containers option from VoiceOver's rotor, the page does not scroll >> beyond what is currently visually on screen. >> * When running a Shortcut that prompts the user to select from a menu, >> VoiceOver users are unable to dismiss the menu with a gesture >> (something which can be done when VoiceOver is not enabled). >> >> If you encounter any additional accessibility bugs in iOS 14 or iPadOS >> 14, please let others know by posting a reply below. When doing so, >> please provide as much information as possible so that others know >> exactly what to expect; when and where the problem occurs; and any >> possible workarounds you have found. >> >> Accessibility Improvements in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14 >> >> Our testing suggests that the following pre-existing accessibility >> bugs have been resolved or partially addressed in iOS 14 and iPadOS 14: >> >> * Apple has continued to make improvements in regard to the consistency >> and >> reliability of behavior when both Dark Mode and Smart Invert are enabled. >> There are still situations system-wide where the colors used may not >> be optimal or consistent in behavior, but our experience suggests that >> these are fewer in number. The color inversion of websites in Safari >> also appears to be improved; and our suspicion is that in some cases >> where this does not work as desired, it is actually due to the website >> rather than iOS and iPadOS. >> * When deleting text from a text field, the audio and haptic feedback >> that >> follows each deletion is no longer that which should indicate that you >> have reached the start of the text field (unless you actually have). >> * When answering a phone call using the 2-finger Double-Tap ('Magic Tap') >> gesture, the vibrations which accompany the ringer now stop as soon as >> the gesture is performed. >> * When listening to an audio file in the Files app, flicking up or down >> on >> the playback scrubber control will now move the playback position. >> * You can now navigate by line when composing a message in the Mail app, >> although there is no audible feedback as you would expect (and is what >> you hear when navigating by character or word). >> * Apple has made some improvements in regard to the frequency and number >> of >> situations in which VoiceOver focus will spontaneously 'jump' to >> another UI element. There are still some occasions when this does >> happen (most notably the behavior in Safari and some apps mentioned in >> our list of new moderate bugs), but this issue appears to be much >> improved. >> * The Edit menu in VoiceOver's rotor is now more consistently and >> reliably >> present when VoiceOver focus is in a text field. >> * The Two-Finger Double-Tap ('Magic Tap') gesture once again reliably >> works >> to pause and resume audio playback in Safari. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must >> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of >> ancient hatreds among peoples. 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