No, bears crap any where they want.
James B From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 7:44 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post Now that’s a cool thought, A gide bear! No one would give you trouble when they see that walking the streets with you. And bears shit in the woods! From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:23 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do work). Then of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the bear will take away from you and use it for seasoning 🤣 Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although there are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous. My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and we came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a black bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous dog seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me when there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because it could have gone either way. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store salesperson about walking through bear country. Salesperson: Make lots of noise. Wearing bells is a good way to do that. Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the trail. Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Web site: <http://www.turner42.com> www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct. Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse. Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things, They give us the url to go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as well. Mind you, You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ, I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie street / hill, That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me 🤣 From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Anthony Vece Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!! On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson <ali...@gmail.com <mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote: well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and could be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are never a waste of time. On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, should they be embarrassed? The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? 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