Agreed re Signal's accessibility. A bunch of my contacts jumped over to it after WhatsApp shot themselves in the foot earlier in the year and so far its been a decent experience. Not perfect - sometimes focus jumps around a bit in a lengthy chat but I've had multiple chats and voice calls there with no show stopper issues.
Garry On 7/21/21, Matthew Janusauskas <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Signal app on iOS appears to be quite accessible with VoiceOver as well. > > > >> On Jul 21, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I guess my question would be "different from what"? If you mean different >> from WhatsApp then OK, if you mean different from the native Messages app >> then I don't think any of the apps mentioned would be a replacement >> because I don't think you can just send a text to any phone number with >> them, the other person would also have to use the same app just like with >> WhatsApp, Skype, Facebook Messenger etc. >> Signal apparently is quite good and seems to be actually considered to be >> the best when it comes to privacy and security, but Telegram doesn't even >> offer end-to-end encryption which is the default in WhatsApp and also in >> Apple's iMessages app. The fact is that regular SMS messages are not >> encrypted and if a provider is hacked the hackers can potentially access >> text messages. In the below Forbes article the author explains why people >> should not even use regular SMS messages for any private conversations and >> instead should use apps like WhatsApp, Signal or iMessage; Facebook >> Messenger also does not have end to end encryption. >> >> Why You Should Stop Sending SMS Messages—Even On Apple iMessage >> >> 😂 >> >> anything other >> for me Telegram would not be something I consider due to it's popularity >> with >> >> No, Don’t Quit WhatsApp To Use Telegram Instead—Here’s Why >> >> If you’re one of the tens of millions of users that have recently switched >> WhatsApp for Telegram, or if you’re considering making that move, then a >> newly reported security issue should be a serious concern. Here’s what you >> need to know. >> >> WhatsApp Vs Telegram >> As the dust finally settles on WhatsApp’s nightmare start to 2021 , the >> stark new truth for Facebook’s flagship messaging platform is that the >> landscape has changed. Signal has gone from niche to borderline >> mainstream, and while Telegram was already widely used, it has grown >> significantly in critical western markets, beyond the less open markets in >> which it has historically been strong. The network effect will now pull >> millions more users to each. >> As I’ve explained before, while Signal is more secure than WhatsApp, >> Telegram is not. In fact, Telegram’s cloud-based architecture is a serious >> risk when compared to the end-to-end default encryption deployed by Signal >> and WhatsApp, which also uses Signal’s protocol. >> All group messages on Telegram are only encrypted between your device and >> Telegram’s cloud, your message history is stored on Telegram’s cloud, and >> if you (unwisely) transfer your WhatsApp chat history to Telegram, then >> this is also stored on its cloud. Make you sure understand that Telegram >> has the decryption keys to any of your data that you store on its >> cloud—this is no different to the encryption issues with Apple and Google >> cloud backups. >> This is clearly illustrated by law enforcement agencies campaigning to >> compromise such encryption, enabling the lawful monitoring and >> interception of user content. The industry rightly pushes back, such >> compromises would inevitably weaken security for everyone, everywhere. >> When it comes to serious issues like child safety, the better solution is >> to deploy metadata monitoring (as Facebook is doing) or restrictions on >> the availability of end-to-end encryption, perhaps by age or only when a >> smartphone is linked to an account. >> Telegram won’t talk about the serious issues with its security >> architecture when compared to Signal and WhatsApp, its claims that it is >> more secure than WhatsApp are clearly wrong. In the messaging world, >> nothing beats end-to-end encryption. Period. Telegram always points to its >> secret chats, which are end-to-end encrypted, albeit can only work between >> two individuals on one device apiece, bypassing the platform’s cloud >> storage. But a security report, published this week , has disclosed new >> issues. The researcher behind the report, Dhiraj Mishra told me that, even >> here, “a vulnerability in the messaging app meant that the self-destructed >> sent and received conversations in Telegram macOS were never actually >> deleted.” Mishra found that audio and video attachments sent “secretly” >> could be found on the same storage path as those sent by Telegram’s >> default, not end-to-end encrypted, messages. >> On normal messages, Mishra reports, “the application leaks the sandbox >> path where the recorded message is stored.” Worryingly, though, “while >> performing the same task under the secret chat option the >> MediaResourceData(path://) URI was not leaked, but the recorded >> audio/video message still gets stored on the [same] path.” There was a >> much more serious issue, though, “a self-destructing message in the secret >> chat option, gets stored even after the message >> is self-destructed.” This is a security disaster. >> Mishra also found that Telegram was storing locally held passcodes on >> MacOS in plaintext. “In a local attack vector,” he told me, “any malicious >> actor could utilise such sensitive information to bypass this control and >> view end users chat. This is clearly a less serious issue but doesn’t >> indicate a security first approach. Any potential Telegram endpoint >> compromise has serious implications given access to the cloud storage—the >> architecture supports instant multi-device access and always sync’d >> messaging, that even allows for draft messages to be started on one device >> and completed on another. But all that comes at a heavy price, >> security-wise. >> Mishra says that Telegram patched both these issues with version 7.4, and >> paid him a bounty—the platform has not yet responded to my request for >> comment. >> The fact these issues have been disclosed and patched is beside the point. >> The secret chat vulnerability is yet further evidence that switching from >> WhatsApp to Telegram, with its lack of support for default end-to-end >> encryption, is a bad idea. According to its founder Pavel Durov, “Telegram >> became the most downloaded mobile app in the world in January 2021.” Where >> those users are ditching WhatsApp’s end-to-end encryption for Telegram’s >> cloud-based solution, this is a backward move. >> Mishra says that “in the past, I've identified many other vulnerabilities >> in Telegram, which leaks sensitive information even with e2ee secret chat >> technology. The quality of Telegram’s e2ee can be improved.” And so, for >> the tens of millions of WhatsApp users making or contemplating that >> switch, the decision has suddenly become much easier—only Signal is the >> genuinely better alternative. “Use Signal,” Mishra confirms, telling me >> that “Signal redacts sensitive endpoints—sessionID, attachmentDownloads >> etc—keeping all this in mind, Signal textsecure protocol is better than >> Telegram and WhatsApp.” >> As for those of you determined to stick with Telegram, Mishra advises you >> to “delete all your ‘Cloud Drafts’ under ‘Privacy and Security’ and limit >> your conversations.” In his view, “handling user privacy/data should not >> be that hard. Telegram's security model has received multiple criticisms >> by many cryptologists in the past.” >> Putting this new report aside, you don’t need to rush to switch from >> WhatsApp over this year’s privacy backlash—nothing material has changed. >> As I’ve commented in recent weeks, you can run WhatsApp and Signal in >> parallel, and as more of your contacts do the same, you’ll find yourself >> using Signal ever more and WhatsApp ever less. And security- and >> privacy-wise, that’s just fine. >> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of >> Donna Casteen >> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 4:54 AM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: has anyone tried these apps >> >> Dan, What is the "zero click effort?" Sounds important enough to ask, >> being that you are searching for a different messaging app. >> >> Donna >> >> >> >> I was considering trying some different messaging apps since there is >> another zero click effort going on. These reportedly have protections >> against zero click attacks and thought I'd ask here before going through >> the effort myself. >> >> >> >> The apps are: >> >> >> >> Threema >> >> Telegram Messenger >> >> Signal >> >> >> >> Not sure about using Telegram Messenger because of its storing everything >> in the cloud and I do not trust cloud storage very much though. >> >> >> >> Any experiences appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >> list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. 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