Alex, we are all creatures of habit and for some change is more difficult to deal with than for others. I feel the same about when people install these shells on a Windows PC, first they would want Windows 7 look like XP and now with Windows 10 they want Windows 10 to look and feel like Windows 7 where instead they could just spend a bit of time properly learning how to do things the Windows 10 way and be better off.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: October 4, 2021 11:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible. Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button to > be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For me > it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my > store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the > home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app > and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app > switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care > of by triple pressing the side button. > As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the > home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen > where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of a > swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app > switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, Face > Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves or > when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very small > percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but I know > a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of manual > work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my brother > who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either wears > gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple will > once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a Touch Id > home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id then > people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag around > everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could see > where a Touch Id home button could get damaged. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Johna Gravitt > Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 > > I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home > button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 > > Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I > had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that > offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple to > consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be a > little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include touch > ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but they were > also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print scanner. It'll be > interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in the future. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Ed Worrell > Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM > To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 > > I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going > forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. > > Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively > working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they > haven't found the technology to work up to their standards. > > Just my two cents on the topic. > > Ed > > >> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release >> >> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release of >> the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024 >> >> Me, >> Don't care >> I just know it will get here when it gets here. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >> >> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or >> incorporate a Touch Id side button?? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >> Of Kelly Pierce >> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >> >> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the >> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening. >> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it goes >> away. 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