Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s over 
the top.


Sent from my iPhone


        On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer <[email protected]> 
wrote:
        
        

        

                                                        Yes, I keep mine in 
direct contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery 
life, everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive 
people who can see absolutely crazy. 

         

        From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
        Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

         

        I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my 
phone it’s me.

        Sent from my iPhone

        
        
        

                On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

                Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put 
in Face ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your 
post, I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in 
the numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

                 

                I feel so badly for you.

                 

                Esther

                Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

                
                
                

                        On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  wrote:

                        Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd 
have been pissed as well.
                        
                        Chris Judge
                        
                        
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of M. Taylor
                        Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
                        To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
                        Cc: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
                        Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
                        
                        You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
                        
                        Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or 
low vision.
                        
                        Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend 
of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone 
because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the 
phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock 
the device by simply pointing it towards me.
                        
                        It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the 
least.  
                        
                        I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough 
vision to see her pick up my phone?"  Wow!
                        
                        I just don't like Face ID!!!!!
                        
                        Mark
                        
                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Donna Casteen
                        Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
                        To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
                        Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
                        
                        I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure 
than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our 
phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could 
lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all 
within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just 
happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more 
secure.
                        
                        Donna
                        
                        
                        

                                 

                                I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 
11. I don't think it's new, and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind 
person, but I do prefer touch ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find 
touch ID to be more convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone 
without having to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just 
prefer a feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their 
unwillingness to learn something new.

                                 

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                                -----Original Message-----

                                From: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Mary Otten

                                Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM

                                To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 

                                Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar 
capability?

                                 

                                I agree with whoever it was that said when they 
first got a phone with Face ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 
R now for some time, and Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an 
old 7+ with touch ID. And I have to use my pass code on that just about as 
often as I do on the 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s 
new and they think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting 
used to, but so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or 
down from the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s 
not that big of a deal.

                                 

                                 

                                Sent from my iPhone

                                 

                                        On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor 
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

                                         

                                        Hello Dennis and Everyone,

                                         

                                        Dennis I completely agree with your 
sentiment.

                                         

                                        I was completely underwhelmed, at best, 
and absolutely disappointed, at worst, with iPhone release this time around.

                                         

                                        I was hoping for some form of TouchID 
but, not gonna happen.

                                         

                                        Removing the SIM tray on the US models 
is somewhat concerning as A T & T Wireless has had some problems with 
Activating and maintaining the account settings when eSim is activated.  This 
is according to several articles I've read, recently.

                                         

                                        I just don't know, I just don't know.

                                         

                                        I have been trying to get used to 
FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely going to miss Touch ID.

                                         

                                        Be that as it may, I plan to get an 
iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first couple of months; figure I'll give carriers 
and Apple time to break in the new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation 
but I am on the path to iPhone 14.

                                         

                                        Mark

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        -----Original Message-----

                                        From: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long

                                        Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 
AM

                                        To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 

                                        Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar 
capability?

                                         

                                        The phones were terrible in my opinion 
they offered nothing.  Hopefully they will offer touch ID somewhere on all 
phones if they do that and the USBC than I might get one but If they do little 
to nothing like they did this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade.

                                         

                                        -----Original Message-----

                                        From: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

                                        Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM

                                        To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 

                                        Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar 
capability?

                                         

                                        From all I read the regular 14 and 14 
Plus do not have LiDAR.

                                        You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good 
reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 
11 or 12 to a 14.

                                        I am actually quite underwhelmed with 
this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip 
just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit 
and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed 
person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is 
definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and 
then that is about it.

                                        I have a regular iPhone 11 which works 
great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing 
AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and 
the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of 
photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a 
great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe 
other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have 
also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't 
already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR 
sensor as well.

                                         

                                        I had my call from Telus, my provider 
in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for 
$30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them 
or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid 
$720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so 
in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 
14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may 
save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said 
they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I 
know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately.

                                        So I will just wait and see what 
happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much 
as Apple may hope they are you may soon find stores, carriers and maybe even 
Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I 
am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea 
of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't 
dislodge the phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and 
you can get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 
Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the 
camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are 
regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and 
I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple 
Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I 
know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series 
phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14.

                                         

                                         

                                        -----Original Message-----

                                        From: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner

                                        Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM

                                        To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 

                                        Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar 
capability?

                                         

                                        As far as I know, LIDAR is still only 
on the pro and pro max models.

                                         

                                        One could call Apple to double check, 
but I was surprised they didn't mention anything about it especially with the 
door detection feature that is apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, 
Wednesday's presentation was focused on hardware, not software.

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        Richard

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compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” - Søren 
Kierkegaard

                                         

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                                        -----Original Message-----

                                        From: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>  <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Cris Ali

                                        Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM

                                        To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 

                                        Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar 
capability?

                                         

                                        the subject heading says it all. I did 
not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, 
and the only insentive for me to upgrade would be Lidar. Does anyone know?

                                        Cheers

                                         

                                         

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