James, thanks very much for posting this link. Yes, Mike Arrigo does a great job, and it was very interesting to listen to this podcast. The App sure does seem to be impressive for an initial release. I just hope it continues to be developed. APH doesn't always update products, their checkbook program is a prime example, although my guess is that they have a third party heavily involved in this effort.
Les On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:52 PM, James Mannion <[email protected]> wrote: > I too am interested in this app. I also like what I have heard about > the app from APH called Near By Explorer. It is only on the Android > platform to the best of my knowledge right now. There is a great demo > of it on blind-geek-zone.net. Its cost is about $100.00. I think that > is reasonable. It is targeted to a smaller market than the main stream > and I'm sure there is quite a bit that goes into research and > development of the app. I think that app sets the bar right now, we'll > see how this one compares. Maybe it will set a new standard, maybe it > won't measure up or maybe it will be quite comparable. I think Raul > put it well summing up how our community will react to whatever the > price of this app. Both sides need to be reasonable, both the consumer > and the people selling the app and setting the price. > > On 2/27/13, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >> Unless I'm missing something, the last time I checked, NaviGon was under >> $50 for maps that covered some subset of North America. I don't think it >> would cost you a couple of hundred dollars unless you got maps for a >> large part of the world. >> >> On 27/02/13 20:34, David Chittenden wrote: >>> I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. >>> Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the >>> cost, and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless >>> people are willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the >>> app, you are stuck with online maps. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Grant, >>>> >>>> Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on >>>> Maui >>>> last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. AT&T is the >>>> best >>>> option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not >>>> have >>>> a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended >>>> up >>>> getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged >>>> me >>>> $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I >>>> used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of >>>> direction >>>> and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it >>>> was >>>> always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii >>>> before >>>> leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to >>>> download >>>> maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first >>>> version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user >>>> feedback >>>> incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and >>>> give them a chance to improve the app. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Grant Hardy >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 >>>> Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>> >>>> Hi Sieghard, >>>> >>>> Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge >>>> amounts >>>> of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't >>>> always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a >>>> smooth >>>> experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, >>>> for >>>> people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably >>>> will >>>> not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I >>>> do >>>> hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a >>>> future >>>> update. >>>> >>>> Grant >>>> >>>> On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi Bob, >>>>> >>>>> Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I >>>>> doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. >>>>> Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use >>>>> up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 >>>>> Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even >>>>> 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long >>>>> through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download >>>>> apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the >>>>> occasional podcast. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf Of Robert Fenton >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 >>>>> Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>> >>>>> Hello. >>>>> >>>>> The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I >>>>> would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I >>>>> will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me >>>>> otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only >>>>> available via data plan. >>>>> The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for >>>>> using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, >>>>> no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I >>>>> live. >>>>> >>>>> So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had >>>>> no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. >>>>> Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J >>>>> >>>>> Bob Fenton >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless >>>>>> of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too >>>>>> much. >>>>>> This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. >>>>>> It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and >>>>>> avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products >>>>>> should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications >>>>>> specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but >>>>>> I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use >>>>>> whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and >>>>>> ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the >>>>>> independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product >>>>>> developed with the blind in >>>>> mind. >>>>>> Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a >>>>>> contrary opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too >>>>>> interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. >>>>>> As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>>>>>> One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, >>>>>>> Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when >>>>>>> the criticisms begin to flow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Neil Barnfather >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Talks List Administrator >>>>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an >>>>>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all >>>>>>> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit >>>>>>> www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>>>>>> e-mail: - [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve >>>>>>>> hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think >>>>>>>> it was worth every penny. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one >>>>>>>> appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker >>>>>>>> shock. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter >>>>>>>> what the costs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck (mobile) >>>>>>>> Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" >>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how >>>>>>>>> much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific >>>>>>>>> installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more >>>>>>>>> than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the >>>>>>>>> iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what >>>>>>>>> the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that >>>>>>>>> price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely >>>>>>>>> be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this >>>>>>>>> because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price >>>>>>>>> is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. >>>>>>>>> I can look through the archives and discussions of the access >>>>>>>>> notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and >>>>>>>>> the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with >>>>>>>>> criticism >>>>> over the price. >>>>>>>>> Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they >>>>>>>>> want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app >>>>>>>>> because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for >>>>>>>>> the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing >>>>>>>>> history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall >>>>>>>>> into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps >>>>>>>>> which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream >>>>>>>>> reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. >>>>>>>>> And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I >>>>>>>>> have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in >>>>>>>>> writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that >>>>>>>>> no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide >>>>>>>>> for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our >>>>>>>>> personal needs and the features contained in the app. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi List, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one >>>>>>>>>> of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM >>>>>>>>>> maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This >>>>>>>>>> should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI >>>> information. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one >>>>>>>>>> will most likely make some others redundant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding >>>>>>>>>> the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than >>>>>>>>>> we all may think. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* ViPone list >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, >>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:*[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Kim >>>>>>>>>> Casey >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* 'Kim Casey' >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new >>>>>>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. >>>>>>>>>> Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind >>>>>>>>>> the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features >>>>>>>>>> in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come >>>>>>>>>> as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS >>>>>>>>>> product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us >>>>>>>>>> at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a >>>>>>>>>> link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> About Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Getting around independently is a function of good mobility >>>>>>>>>> tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like >>>>>>>>>> accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and >>>>>>>>>> Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible >>>>>>>>>> turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation >>>>>>>>>> features plus features unique to blind users. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important >>>>>>>>>> navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, >>>>>>>>>> Route, POIs and Location. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel >>>>>>>>>> are announced. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face >>>>>>>>>> orientation of the streets. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and >>>>>>>>>> vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the >>>>>>>>>> turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent >>>>>>>>>> turn is located. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically >>>>>>>>>> recalculated and updated turn information is announced. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby >>>>>>>>>> with the LookAround Wand. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically >>>>>>>>>> announced. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For more information go to >>>>>>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> New 2013 Sendero products >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to >>>>>>>>>> Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and >>>>>>>>>> ultrabooks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and >>>>>>>>>> Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not going to CSUN - No problem! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join >>>>>>>>>> in the fun and listen into the following presentations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype >>>>>>>>>> iPhone People Finder App >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>>>>>> iPhone App >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just go to: >>>>>>>>>> http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 >>>>>>>>>> at the scheduled session time. 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