I don't think we know the price of this app yet, and the restriction to North America is just for version 1.0 of the app.
On 28/02/13 02:25, Fanus wrote: > Hello Sieghard and list > There is another aspect with makes me very unhappy and that > is the price. We saw this with Nearby Explorer and now with > Seeing Eye, and that is that developers of blind apps make > them available to only part of the blind community. From > what I could gather from APh is that Nearby Explorer will > eventually only be available for the US and Europe. Now we > see the same with Seeing Eye: only for US and Europe. > That was the same for the Voice Sense GPs. A friend here in > South Africa had to purchase the local maps from Hims for > Nearly half the price of the Voice Sense, so I assume if we > would like to use seeing eye it would cost so much for the > maps, if any, that it would not be worth while. > Regards > Fanus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:04 AM > Subject: RE: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, > new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! > > > Hi Christopher and Mark, > > You are correct, Christopher, Garmin has no reason why they > should engage in > such a partnership, in fact, they would never do so since > they would have to > give Sendero access to their entire code and then make sure > what Sendero > does is not messing up anything else. Navigon, of course, is > owned by Garmin > so there is no difference there. > Comparing Voiceover with something like GPS apps of course > is comparing > Apples to Oranges (pun intended) since Voiceover is > developed by Apple > because Apple chose to make their devices accessible. > I guess one could say that if Garmin did make such a huge > commitment to > accessibility something like what Mark invisions could > theoretically be > possible, but making one app accessible does not nearly > carry the importance > of making an entire group of devices, an entire platform and > an entire > eco-system of content accessible. If Garmin had any interest > in that they > could have long since included accessibility in many of > their stand-along > Nuvi products. > > I know that Mark, and I mean no offense by this, seems to > have a huge > problem with anything that even hints at being geared > towards the visually > impaired. Those among us who understand that some things are > just done > better when they are done with the blind user in mind > typically have no such > problem especially if the product or, in this case, app in > question most > likely will be well within the price range of 95% or 98% of > iPhone users. > You could take Mark's argument and apply it to anything. I > am not sure if > Mark has a guide dog or is using a cane, but if he is using > a cane, why not > lobby the manufacturers of white canes to make them more > appealing so that > maybe sighted people would also buy them as walking sticks > or whatever. > Maybe they could come with all sorts of cool graphics and > white ones would > only be 2% of all canes manufacturered and instead of $25 > they would now > cost only $18. > > OK, enough said on this topic, there is always Apple Maps > which does have a > significant amount of accessibility built into it and there > are apps like > Navigon, Motion GPS or TomTom, of course Mark would have to > use a blindness > specific app like Blindsquare, Ariadne or Sendero LookAround > to get the most > out of them as all of us who have been using these solutions > for the last > few years have done. I definitely prefer to spend whatever > Sendero will > charge for the Seeing Eye app in the hope that I will get > all of what I can > do now with several apps and in time probably more out of > one app. If I add > up all I spend on the various GPS apps hoping I find one > that works better > than another I could have probably bought the Seeing Eye app > twice over. > That of course is not taking into account the$2,000 I spend > in 2007 to buy a > Trekker Maestro and the $900 I spent in 2009 to buy > MobileGeo after I bought > my first Windows Smartphone with MobileSpeak. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, > new 2013 > Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! > > I'm not sure how this would work. What would be Garmin's > motivation for > doing this? I'm not sure the development costs still > wouldn't be more to > provide an accessible option to a given product than develop > an accessible > product from the ground up. The amortization argument was > mostly targeted at > the downloading of maps, which we know this product won't > do. It also isn't > clear that this product will cost significantly more than > existing products. > Agencies don't have the deep pockets they might have had at > one time. > > On 27/02/13 21:36, Mark BurningHawk wrote: >> So it would still make more sense to partner with a >> company who makes >> such a silent, visually appealing app, and piggy-back a >> Sendero type >> level of verbal interaction at the user's command. This, >> after all, >> is what VoiceOver does to the native IOS when it's >> invoked. Then, >> this amortization thing you speak of can be spread not >> only over a >> wider customer base but over two companies' resources. >> The problem >> with a product that costs significantly higher because >> it's targeted >> primarily toward blind people . Okay, let me start that >> again. >> *another* problem with this approach is that there are >> agencies and >> the like with deep pockets who will justify such a >> purchase in their >> rehab or other budgets, which keeps up the barrier between >> the blind >> and the world at large. I see a win-win for Sendero to >> partner with a >> more conventionally familiar name, I.E. Garnin or someone, >> or even >> with the Apple Maps app, provide their product as an >> option when >> wanted, and at a significantly lower cost to > everyone. Will I get it and all the maps I need when it > comes out? Most > likely, unless it's off the scale. I personally hope at > least one ," or > "home," map comes free with it, or perhaps a set, one from > each map source. > But making the price too high might not be as damaging as > making the target > user base too small. Reinventing the wheel seems a bit > redundant, if you'll > allow me to repeat myself a little bit one more time again. >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> Home page: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails > from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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