Unless I'm missing something, the last time I checked, NaviGon was under $50 for maps that covered some subset of North America. I don't think it would cost you a couple of hundred dollars unless you got maps for a large part of the world.
On 27/02/13 20:34, David Chittenden wrote: > I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. > Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the cost, > and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless people are > willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the app, you are > stuck with online maps. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: [email protected] > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Grant, >> >> Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui >> last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. AT&T is the best >> option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have >> a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up >> getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me >> $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I >> used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction >> and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was >> always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before >> leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download >> maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first >> version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback >> incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and >> give them a chance to improve the app. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Grant Hardy >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 >> Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >> >> Hi Sieghard, >> >> Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts >> of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't >> always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth >> experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for >> people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will >> not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do >> hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future >> update. >> >> Grant >> >> On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I >>> doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. >>> Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use >>> up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 >>> Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even >>> 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long >>> through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download >>> apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the >>> occasional podcast. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Robert Fenton >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 >>> Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>> >>> Hello. >>> >>> The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I >>> would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I >>> will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me >>> otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only >>> available via data plan. >>> The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for >>> using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, >>> no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I >>> live. >>> >>> So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had >>> no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. >>> Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J >>> >>> Bob Fenton >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>>> It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless >>>> of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. >>>> This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. >>>> It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. >>>> >>>> There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and >>>> avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products >>>> should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications >>>> specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but >>>> I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use >>>> whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and >>>> ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the >>>> independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product >>>> developed with the blind in >>> mind. >>>> Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a >>>> contrary opinion. >>>> >>>> Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too >>>> interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. >>>> As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. >>>> >>>> On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>>>> One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, >>>>> Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when >>>>> the criticisms begin to flow. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Neil Barnfather >>>>> >>>>> Talks List Administrator >>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>>> >>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an >>>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all >>>>> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit >>>>> www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>>>> >>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>>>> e-mail: - [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>>> >>>>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve >>>>>> hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think >>>>>> it was worth every penny. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one >>>>>> appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. >>>>>> >>>>>> If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter >>>>>> what the costs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck (mobile) >>>>>> Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how >>>>>>> much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific >>>>>>> installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more >>>>>>> than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the >>>>>>> iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what >>>>>>> the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that >>>>>>> price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely >>>>>>> be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this >>>>>>> because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price >>>>>>> is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. >>>>>>> I can look through the archives and discussions of the access >>>>>>> notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and >>>>>>> the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with >>>>>>> criticism >>> over the price. >>>>>>> Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they >>>>>>> want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app >>>>>>> because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for >>>>>>> the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing >>>>>>> history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall >>>>>>> into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps >>>>>>> which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream >>>>>>> reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. >>>>>>> And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I >>>>>>> have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in >>>>>>> writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that >>>>>>> no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide >>>>>>> for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our >>>>>>> personal needs and the features contained in the app. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi List, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one >>>>>>>> of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM >>>>>>>> maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This >>>>>>>> should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI >> information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one >>>>>>>> will most likely make some others redundant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding >>>>>>>> the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than >>>>>>>> we all may think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* ViPone list >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:*[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Kim Casey >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* 'Kim Casey' >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new >>>>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. >>>>>>>> Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind >>>>>>>> the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features >>>>>>>> in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come >>>>>>>> as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS >>>>>>>> product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us >>>>>>>> at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a >>>>>>>> link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> About Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Getting around independently is a function of good mobility >>>>>>>> tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like >>>>>>>> accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and >>>>>>>> Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible >>>>>>>> turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation >>>>>>>> features plus features unique to blind users. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important >>>>>>>> navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, >>>>>>>> Route, POIs and Location. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel >>>>>>>> are announced. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face >>>>>>>> orientation of the streets. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and >>>>>>>> vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the >>>>>>>> turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent >>>>>>>> turn is located. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically >>>>>>>> recalculated and updated turn information is announced. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby >>>>>>>> with the LookAround Wand. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically >>>>>>>> announced. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For more information go to >>>>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> New 2013 Sendero products >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to >>>>>>>> Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and >>>>>>>> ultrabooks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and >>>>>>>> Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not going to CSUN - No problem! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join >>>>>>>> in the fun and listen into the following presentations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype >>>>>>>> iPhone People Finder App >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>>>> iPhone App >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just go to: >>>>>>>> http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 >>>>>>>> at the scheduled session time. 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