I can't, and I do not have Nda, so my comments were generalized. Sorry
if you took offence.
On 26/08/2013 20:21, Steve Matzura wrote:
You think? Do you have NDA? Can you quote verbatim the paragraphs
binding him to secrecy which you say he broke? If not, then please do
us all a favor and get your facts straight, then come back and bash me
to death if you like. I await your reply.
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:12:34 +0100, you wrote:
To me I think Sean was breaking the Nda. Apple has never released betas
of iOs or Os X as public, and I can't see that changing. I actually am
for this and wished other companies would follow suit. This is why even
the first go round of Apple's new operating system is so polished.
Just my £0.02 worth.
On 26/08/2013 18:47, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I listened to the podcast, and I never heard it stated that this was a
public beta. The podcaster also never explained how he got the beta
himself. Although he acknowledged that there's a lot of information on
IOS 7 available out there on the web, he also admitted that there are
people out there who don't feel information on IOS 7 should be
distributed unless it's done by Apple or until IOS 7 has been released.
It isn't clear to me, after listening to the podcast, whether this is a
public beta or whether an NDA has been violated or not.
I'm OK with Cara and Raul determining what is and isn't appropriate for
the list. I just think our facts need to be accurate, and we shouldn't
claim things are publicly available or that NDA's haven't been violated
when the source we're pointing to doesn't even address those points.
BTW, I don't think there's any more dissension in the blindness
community than there is in the general public. We're all people and
anyone can voice an opinion without or without facts to back it up and
the blind don't have a monopoly on this behavior.
I'm curious, does the 37 messages include the half of dozen messages you
contributed to the thread? Just curious, since I haven't been counting
myself.
On 08/26/2013 12:11 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
I can't believe there were thirty-seven messages written about this
topic, none of which would have been necessary if anybody had listened
to the program. Thinking that it was one I hadn't heard before, I
downloaded it and listened. I got about two minutes into it, and
realized I had indeed heard it before. If any of you who complained
about Joseph's having posted this link would have done the same, you
all would have heard what I heard the first time, and then again just
now, that this release was already in public beta, there were no
non-disclosure agreements violated, nothing was being disclosed that
should not have been, information about it was all over everywhere,
and that Shawn was simply going to spotlight, if you will, the
accessibility features that had changed, something that most other
YouTube videos would doubtfully have covered. All of you people who
bashed Joseph for posting the link really need to grow up and get your
facts straight before jumping on your keyboards and writing about
things of which you know nothing. You wonder why there is so much
dissention in the blind community about anything at all? It's because,
while everybody has an opinion, nobody seems to have the facts.
Opinions are cheap--everybody has one. Facts, now, they're expensive.
They require thought and research. Exercise the same before bashing
somebody who tried to do you a favor.
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