Totally agree. But, like any binding agreement or law, if it has no teeth, like our own A.D.A., it will be ignored.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:33:28 +0930, you wrote: >i think some listers need to consider that NDA is a legal document. And Apple >has absolute right to keep it as for developers only. Unfortunately, there are >people that do not respect such document and often take advantage of the fact >that they got access to betas before any of the initial official release. >I think, Kara's email, and the rest of the listers should be respected in this >matter. >Although some take pleasure on violating NDAs, but like most of the listers, i >respect NDA and acknowledge the existant of it's legality. Either in Apple >NDA, or any other NDAs > >regards >JC >The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.Joanne Chua >Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate >Send from my iPad > >On 27/08/2013, at 6:07, Chris H <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I can't, and I do not have Nda, so my comments were generalized. Sorry if >> you took offence. >> >> On 26/08/2013 20:21, Steve Matzura wrote: >>> You think? Do you have NDA? Can you quote verbatim the paragraphs >>> binding him to secrecy which you say he broke? If not, then please do >>> us all a favor and get your facts straight, then come back and bash me >>> to death if you like. I await your reply. >>> >>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:12:34 +0100, you wrote: >>> >>>> To me I think Sean was breaking the Nda. Apple has never released betas >>>> of iOs or Os X as public, and I can't see that changing. I actually am >>>> for this and wished other companies would follow suit. This is why even >>>> the first go round of Apple's new operating system is so polished. >>>> Just my £0.02 worth. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26/08/2013 18:47, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>>> I listened to the podcast, and I never heard it stated that this was a >>>>> public beta. The podcaster also never explained how he got the beta >>>>> himself. Although he acknowledged that there's a lot of information on >>>>> IOS 7 available out there on the web, he also admitted that there are >>>>> people out there who don't feel information on IOS 7 should be >>>>> distributed unless it's done by Apple or until IOS 7 has been released. >>>>> It isn't clear to me, after listening to the podcast, whether this is a >>>>> public beta or whether an NDA has been violated or not. >>>>> >>>>> I'm OK with Cara and Raul determining what is and isn't appropriate for >>>>> the list. I just think our facts need to be accurate, and we shouldn't >>>>> claim things are publicly available or that NDA's haven't been violated >>>>> when the source we're pointing to doesn't even address those points. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, I don't think there's any more dissension in the blindness >>>>> community than there is in the general public. We're all people and >>>>> anyone can voice an opinion without or without facts to back it up and >>>>> the blind don't have a monopoly on this behavior. >>>>> >>>>> I'm curious, does the 37 messages include the half of dozen messages you >>>>> contributed to the thread? Just curious, since I haven't been counting >>>>> myself. >>>>> >>>>> On 08/26/2013 12:11 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>>> I can't believe there were thirty-seven messages written about this >>>>>> topic, none of which would have been necessary if anybody had listened >>>>>> to the program. Thinking that it was one I hadn't heard before, I >>>>>> downloaded it and listened. I got about two minutes into it, and >>>>>> realized I had indeed heard it before. If any of you who complained >>>>>> about Joseph's having posted this link would have done the same, you >>>>>> all would have heard what I heard the first time, and then again just >>>>>> now, that this release was already in public beta, there were no >>>>>> non-disclosure agreements violated, nothing was being disclosed that >>>>>> should not have been, information about it was all over everywhere, >>>>>> and that Shawn was simply going to spotlight, if you will, the >>>>>> accessibility features that had changed, something that most other >>>>>> YouTube videos would doubtfully have covered. All of you people who >>>>>> bashed Joseph for posting the link really need to grow up and get your >>>>>> facts straight before jumping on your keyboards and writing about >>>>>> things of which you know nothing. You wonder why there is so much >>>>>> dissention in the blind community about anything at all? It's because, >>>>>> while everybody has an opinion, nobody seems to have the facts. >>>>>> Opinions are cheap--everybody has one. Facts, now, they're expensive. >>>>>> They require thought and research. Exercise the same before bashing >>>>>> somebody who tried to do you a favor. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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