i think some listers need to consider that NDA is a legal document. And Apple has absolute right to keep it as for developers only. Unfortunately, there are people that do not respect such document and often take advantage of the fact that they got access to betas before any of the initial official release. I think, Kara's email, and the rest of the listers should be respected in this matter. Although some take pleasure on violating NDAs, but like most of the listers, i respect NDA and acknowledge the existant of it's legality. Either in Apple NDA, or any other NDAs
regards JC The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.Joanne Chua Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 27/08/2013, at 6:07, Chris H <[email protected]> wrote: > I can't, and I do not have Nda, so my comments were generalized. Sorry if you > took offence. > > On 26/08/2013 20:21, Steve Matzura wrote: >> You think? Do you have NDA? Can you quote verbatim the paragraphs >> binding him to secrecy which you say he broke? If not, then please do >> us all a favor and get your facts straight, then come back and bash me >> to death if you like. I await your reply. >> >> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:12:34 +0100, you wrote: >> >>> To me I think Sean was breaking the Nda. Apple has never released betas >>> of iOs or Os X as public, and I can't see that changing. I actually am >>> for this and wished other companies would follow suit. This is why even >>> the first go round of Apple's new operating system is so polished. >>> Just my £0.02 worth. >>> >>> >>> On 26/08/2013 18:47, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> I listened to the podcast, and I never heard it stated that this was a >>>> public beta. The podcaster also never explained how he got the beta >>>> himself. Although he acknowledged that there's a lot of information on >>>> IOS 7 available out there on the web, he also admitted that there are >>>> people out there who don't feel information on IOS 7 should be >>>> distributed unless it's done by Apple or until IOS 7 has been released. >>>> It isn't clear to me, after listening to the podcast, whether this is a >>>> public beta or whether an NDA has been violated or not. >>>> >>>> I'm OK with Cara and Raul determining what is and isn't appropriate for >>>> the list. I just think our facts need to be accurate, and we shouldn't >>>> claim things are publicly available or that NDA's haven't been violated >>>> when the source we're pointing to doesn't even address those points. >>>> >>>> BTW, I don't think there's any more dissension in the blindness >>>> community than there is in the general public. We're all people and >>>> anyone can voice an opinion without or without facts to back it up and >>>> the blind don't have a monopoly on this behavior. >>>> >>>> I'm curious, does the 37 messages include the half of dozen messages you >>>> contributed to the thread? Just curious, since I haven't been counting >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> On 08/26/2013 12:11 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>> I can't believe there were thirty-seven messages written about this >>>>> topic, none of which would have been necessary if anybody had listened >>>>> to the program. Thinking that it was one I hadn't heard before, I >>>>> downloaded it and listened. I got about two minutes into it, and >>>>> realized I had indeed heard it before. If any of you who complained >>>>> about Joseph's having posted this link would have done the same, you >>>>> all would have heard what I heard the first time, and then again just >>>>> now, that this release was already in public beta, there were no >>>>> non-disclosure agreements violated, nothing was being disclosed that >>>>> should not have been, information about it was all over everywhere, >>>>> and that Shawn was simply going to spotlight, if you will, the >>>>> accessibility features that had changed, something that most other >>>>> YouTube videos would doubtfully have covered. All of you people who >>>>> bashed Joseph for posting the link really need to grow up and get your >>>>> facts straight before jumping on your keyboards and writing about >>>>> things of which you know nothing. You wonder why there is so much >>>>> dissention in the blind community about anything at all? It's because, >>>>> while everybody has an opinion, nobody seems to have the facts. >>>>> Opinions are cheap--everybody has one. Facts, now, they're expensive. >>>>> They require thought and research. 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