Hi Krister, If you set Apple Maps to Tracking with Headings, it will tell you cross streets as you walk.
Best, Anna On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Did i miss an earlier answer if so i’m very sorry but i want to know how you > make Apple maps announce upcoming intersections and cross streets and is this > done automagically as you walk? > /Krister > 28 okt 2013 kl. 22:13 skrev David Chittenden <[email protected]>: > >> I agree with much of what you say. However, navigating by address ranges can >> be as efficient in unfamiliar areas, especially when one is given an address >> to navigate too. The only difference is that we are not used to navigating >> by street address, so it feels less efficient. However, if you know you are >> going to 123 1st Street, and your closest address is showing 205 1st Street, >> you need to continue walking along 1st Street with the addresses descending. >> If the addresses increase in number, you need to turn around and walk the >> other way. When your displayed address becomes a number lower than 123 1st >> street, you have most likely passed your target and it is time to use O&M >> skills to locate the specific address. After all, no GPS solution is able to >> provide that kind of specificity presently. If there are two streets between >> your current location and your destination, it is actually not necessary >> that you know the names of those streets as long as you know that the >> desired address is further in the specified direction. This is especially >> true in unfamiliar areas. >> That said, the point I am attempting to make, however, and doing a very poor >> job of expressing, is: it seems to me that the change in information one >> receives from the blindness targeted GPS apps may not be worth the extreme >> premium which is being charged. I was a vendor of blindness targeted >> products several years ago, by the way, and fully understand the economics >> involved. Perhaps my response is partially because I am unable to use the >> blindness targeted apps in the majority of places where I must travel. After >> all, if I am going to pay 10 times the price of a general market app, I >> expect at least equivalent functionality (if I cannot use the general market >> app), and significantly improved functionality (if I am able to use the >> general market app). >> >> As for upcoming street intersection announcements, they are now available in >> Apple Maps. TomTom has always had them, but it is necessary to go into a >> certain screen and check manually whilst on the block to have TomTom >> announce the intersections that one is between. The benefit of TomTom, of >> course, is that the maps are on one's device. The drawback is that the maps >> are updated only a couple times per year. >> >> I have a free GPS solution which utilises OSM maps and Google POI. In most >> cases, it is unable to give me street information. It only provides distance >> and direction to the POI's location. This means, the OSM Map data doesn't >> cover my area. This, of course, makes since. The entire population of NZ is >> only four million. >> >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: [email protected] >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 29 Oct 2013, at 8:04, Grant Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Oh for sure, I’m not denying that you can absolutely navigate using a >>> mainstream GPS app on the iPhone. I’m just pointing out that comparing >>> blindness specific GPS apps with mainstream ones can be like comparing >>> apples and oranges, because the information you are given is significantly >>> different. Certainly, one can learn to navigate using address ranges rather >>> than crossed streets in familiar areas, but not nearly as efficiently >>> particularly in unfamiliar ones. As you said, you’ve learned to do this in >>> part by walking up side streets to hear announcements of what they are. >>> That’s absolutely a worthy cause, but not efficient if you are in a busy >>> area and simply want to make sure you’re on track as you travel from A to >>> B. It also wouldn’t help if you are trying to describe to somebody where >>> you are because chances are they would not be familiar with navigation >>> based on address ranges. >>> >>> With respect to hearing descriptions of intersections as you approach them, >>> let me give an example. Suppose you are walking north along the fictional >>> streeth 100th Street, and you’re on the west side of the street. You know >>> that at some point, you want to cross over to the east side of 100th >>> Street. You come to the intersection of 100th Street and Vine Avenue. >>> You’re using Sendero’s app and are told something like “100th street and >>> vine avenue, ahead and right” or perhaps you’re using another app and are >>> told “four-way intersection”. Assuming the maps are accurate, this gives >>> you an indication that this should be a good spot to cross to the right to >>> get to the east side of the street. I suppose you could figure out the same >>> using Apple Maps, but that would require you to stop walking at every >>> relevant block and examine the display. I haven’t really tested the >>> accuracy of doing so, but I suspect you could get good at this. Of course, >>> you might find that absolutely fine, or not need the information, but I >>> think there’s a market of people who want a GPS app that gives them the >>> most efficient possible set of data. If you don’t get that data (and even >>> BlindSquare doesn’t yet announce it, though the developer seems keen to add >>> it as I understand it) you might not be able to tell whether it is safe to >>> cross 100th Street because the intersection might not run through both >>> sides of the street. In fact, many mainstream navigation apps don’t even >>> factor this in to their spoken route instructions because it’s not really >>> necessary for a mainstream audience. >>> >>> My point is that between the combination of blindness specific and >>> mainstream GPS apps I have on my iPhone, I can get pretty close to the >>> functionality offered by a notetaker like the BrailleNote. However, I don’t >>> believe mainstream GPS apps offer all of the same information, sometimes at >>> all, but more than often in an efficient manner. Sometimes you don’t need >>> the information, but sometimes you do want it: and if you can get it best >>> with a blindness specific app, then I don’t think there is anything wrong >>> with that. >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of David Chittenden >>> Sent: October 28, 2013 3:44 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: BlindSquare, A Disappointment >>> >>> Considering that this discussion has been specifically about GPS apps, I am >>> specifically referring to GPS apps. So, contrary to your statement, I am, >>> in no way, speaking philosophically here. >>> >>> The only blindness focussed app I have purchased for navigation is Ariadne. >>> The only reason I purchased it was because the free app I previously used >>> to acquire street addresses that I was passing ceased working after an iOS >>> upgrade. >>> >>> People speak about how it is not possible to effectively navigate using >>> only street addresses. Those people are incorrect. All one needs to do is >>> change the way one navigates. Before Apple Maps upgraded, I walked up side >>> streets occasionally to learn which street it is. However, I mainly learned >>> to navigate using street addresses because that was what was primarily >>> available, and it works quite well. >>> >>> You speak of the necessity of knowing the exact layout of each and every >>> intersection. I travel independently through cities in multiple countries >>> without such information. Traffic circles are quite common in many >>> countries. When the navigation app says take the second exit off the >>> traffic circle, this usually means, continue straight on the street. When >>> the app says take the first or third exit, this is easily determined by >>> knowing which direction the vehicles travel in the traffic circle. In the >>> US, it is counter clockwise. In most island nations, it is clockwise. In >>> either case, it is easily figured out by observing the side of the street >>> the vehicles drive on. >>> >>> Oh, if one wishes to get a better feel for how roads are laid out and >>> intersect, I prefer Apple Maps traceable street view. It took practice to >>> learn to use it, but is valuable when in an unfamiliar area. >>> >>> As for POI, many apps give many more locations than the blindness focussed >>> apps, especially when one is outside the US. I have been tempted to acquire >>> BlindSquare, but all the POI data it provides is readily accessible from >>> free and very low cost apps. >>> >>> As for announcing upcoming intersections, Apple Maps now does a decent job. >>> The only problem I experience with Apple Maps is it tends to announce the >>> cross street both before the street and after the street. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 20:55, Grant Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> While I am not disagreeing with you from a philosophical perspective, this >>> doesn't really apply to navigation apps. Comparing blindness specific and >>> mainstream GPS apps can be like comparing apples and oranges, as each are >>> used for a completely different purpose. Examples include announcements for >>> crossed streets, descriptions of intersections, and address ranges, which >>> would simply not be useful in mainstream apps. Far from just using an >>> interface that is not optimal, you would be using an app that offers >>> completely different functionality. Of course, there are exceptions, for >>> example the Hop Stop transit app is mainstream but can provide transit >>> directions in a reasonably easy to follow textual manner. But for demanding >>> GPS tasks, blindness specific apps - at least for now - offer a more >>> complete experience. Of course, to tell the truth no GPS app for iOS comes >>> close to the experience you could get on a notetaker like the BrailleNote, >>> but I suspect this will change sooner rather than later. >>> >>> Grant >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:56 PM, "David Chittenden" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Whenever possible, I do not purchase blindness specific apps. Because the >>> blindness market is so tiny, the developers need to charge significantly >>> more money just to break even; not to mention earning a profit. Apps for >>> the sighted have pretty visual interfaces. As a blind user, it is our job >>> to adjust to those interfaces, or pay the premium for blindness targeted >>> apps. >>> >>> For almost every blindness targeted app, I have multiple general market >>> apps which do the same thing plus more. However, the interfaces are usually >>> more complicated for a blind person. This is almost never a problem for me, >>> but can be a problem for some. >>> >>> Finally, as with blindness targeted products, many features are not, and >>> will not be, available in the blindness targeted app. As always, this is >>> specifically because of the size of the available market and economies of >>> scale. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 28 Oct 2013, at 12:15, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alex, >>> >>> I don’t want my personal opinion to taint your interest in purchasing the >>> app. I do feel like the skunk at the picnic for being the only person who >>> has found the app disappointing, but after another round of putting the app >>> through its paces, I don’t get the wow factor. WhereTo lets you choose from >>> a wider selection of business categories and gives you the same distance >>> monitoring that BlindSquare provides. Ariadne performs the same function >>> you mention regarding the bus travel example. I’m not saying the app can’t >>> be great for some people, but for me the excitement just isn’t there for >>> the money you pay compared to other orientation apps. I knew not to expect >>> turn-by-turn directions. I knew it was not a fully functional navigation >>> app like the Seeing Eye app, but I was expecting better accuracy, better >>> stability and, frankly, better coverage than what BlindSquare is providing. >>> The app is not providing nearly the amount of information it ought to be >>> providing for an area I am very familiar with. Anyway, I’ll stop slamming >>> the thing. I know people are loyal to it, but at $24 I thought it worth >>> sharing my candid thoughts on the thing. Besides, if Apple refuses my >>> refund request, I’ll have no choice but to start liking the blasted >>> thing.--Joe >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Alex Hall >>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:48 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: BlindSquare, A Disappointment >>> >>> First, I do not have this app, but I have done a lot of research into it >>> and am thinking of buying it at some point. >>> >>> That said, it all depends on what you want from a navigation app. >>> Blindsquare can’t do turn-by-turn directions, so that’s where other mapping >>> apps come in and it is why Blindsquare can run in the background. What you >>> can do, though, is monitor a POI, with the app telling you where it is in >>> relation to you as you move. This way, if you know the general layout of >>> your area but not where a specific point is, you can find it easily enough. >>> You can also set up triggers to have the app alert you when you pass within >>> a distance you pick of a point you pick. For example, if you need to have >>> the bus stop at First and Main, just set a 200 meter trigger for that spot. >>> You can then use the app to see your current street, and when you are on >>> Main or First and the app alerts you that you are within your notification >>> distance, you can have the bus stop or remind the driver where you need to >>> get off. >>> On Oct 27, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, to add to Sieghard’s comments, using Blind Square together with >>> Google Maps gives the best combination for knowing what is around you, what >>> street is coming up and turn-by-turn directions for one third of what you >>> would pay for one year of the Seeing eye app. >>> Blind Square has been updated numerous times since it came out and the next >>> release will likely simplify the main screen and may get closer to what you >>> were expecting in the first place. >>> Very few app developers have been as responsive to user feedback. I would >>> strongly recommend that you contact the developer directly with your >>> concerns and I think you may find, with some patients, that you will become >>> much more fond of using it. >>> If not, then by all means, go for that refund. >>> >>> Good luck with either choice, >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Joe >>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:50 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: BlindSquare, A Disappointment >>> >>> Hi Sieghard, >>> >>> The BlindSquare app is very accessible. I don’t want to give anyone the >>> impression that it is not, and as far as I know, Apple gives other reasons >>> for why you can request a refund. It’s a long shot, hence my pointing out >>> my, hope, for a refund. In that regard, Android gets a small nod from me >>> for allowing a try before you buy scenario, but that’s beside the point and >>> not an attempt to stir up a debate. >>> >>> I listened to a few podcasts about the app. That’s ultimately what >>> motivated me to take the plunge, but I may not have heard the one you’re >>> specifically referring to. If you can think of the episode title or date, >>> I’d be much appreciative. At $24, I’d be glad to find ways to like it, >>> though I did spend time reading through all the documentation. >>> >>> Anyway, just my two dollar’s worth. I’m open to being convinced otherwise, >>> but so far the alternatives are winning out. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 10:36 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: BlindSquare, A Disappointment >>> >>> Hi Joe, >>> >>> First of all, I doubt you will be able to get a refund. Apple has been >>> giving refunds for inaccessible apps, but you can definitely not argue that >>> Blindsquare is inaccessible since it was made for blind users. >>> >>> I think Blindsquare is awesome when it comes to finding out what’s around >>> you. First of all it is by far the best of these apps (I am not including >>> the Seeing-Eye app when I say “these apps”) when it comes to announcing >>> upcoming intersections without having to interact with the device. I know >>> Ariadne has a Monitoring function which is supposed to do this, but I >>> somehow never found it was all that reliable. I admit, however, that after >>> I bought Blindsquare I deleted Ariadne from my phone and I haven’t used it >>> probably in at least a year. >>> I also like the fact that it’s very easy to put in my own points of >>> interest in Blindsquare. Later I can, for example, sit in my house and I >>> can check out where these points are in relationship to my house, e.g. >>> “Start of Trail, 550 metres at 11 o’clock”. You can, of course, do the same >>> with other points of interest, e.g. stores, restaurants etc. >>> >>> From what you said I assume you haven’t listened to any Podcasts about >>> Blindsquare because then maybe you might have had a better idea about what >>> to expect. But I think it’s a good idea to go to www.applevis.com, search >>> for Blindsquare and listen to especially the one Podcast, can’t remember >>> the name of the person who does it. Maybe you will find some information or >>> hear about uses you hadn’t thought of before. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Joe >>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:25 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: BlindSquare, A Disappointment >>> >>> I purchased the BlindSquare app on account of I did not want to spend a lot >>> more for the Seeing Eye GPS app. To be fair, I’m not entirely sure what I >>> was expecting, except I was hoping for a little more familiarity with my >>> environment. As it stands, the only real advantage is that BlindSquare can >>> tell me, maybe what intersection is in front of me, and that with some >>> turning this way and that to make sure the app is not capturing >>> intersections further away than what you’re looking for. Actually, it seems >>> a little illogical that you would need to tap into two screens to turn on a >>> mode that ought to be readily accessible from the main screen. By all means >>> buy it if you’re on the fence, but my personal recommendation is that it’s >>> more than a little overblown. If you use Ariadne GPS with a combination of >>> WhereTo or Around Me, and pair these up with Google MAPS or Apple’s own >>> Maps app, you’ll be more than good to go without spending more than twenty >>> bucks. I would venture to suggest that even Sendero’s Look Around app could >>> help. Me, I’m hoping I’ll be able to get a refund. 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