Hi Teresa,
Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software
generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There are
a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs.
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From: Teresa Cochran
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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking
Information
Hi, Flor,
I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I
am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just shows
more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human factor
involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I think I'm
basically thoroughly confused.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status
cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the "Navrow" of buttons
that the 40 blue does have.
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From: Flor Lynch
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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking
Information
That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message,
as I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I
have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful in
a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that doesn't
mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 Blue (paired
with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and also a Focus40
Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but use with PC mostly
though also sometimes with laptop. .
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From: Teresa Cochran
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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or
Speaking Information
I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for
status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to "left" and it
does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of the dots
on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't display or
speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help would seem to
indicate.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and
seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'?
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From: Teresa Cochran
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Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or
Speaking Information
Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to
know what kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's
not an issue.
Teresa
"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and
seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display
with
a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status
messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides,
if
you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing
information.
Wayne
On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote:
Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen
cchrtain, and
I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about
that last
one.
Teresa
"We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan
On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy
<hayasim...@gmail.com> wrote:
I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first
router key to the
left with the same results. This left me wondering what an
expanded status
was.
Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone
On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com>
wrote:
Hi, all,
I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue.
When I press
the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that
it toggles
expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille
feedback, even
when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing
something?
Thanks,
Teresa
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