WEll, if exmanded status is supposed to show something, I figured I was either not immlementing it correctly or there's a bug.
Teresa "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:49 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: > > Hi Teresa, > > Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software > generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There > are a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Teresa Cochran > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM > Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking > Information > > Hi, Flor, > > I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. I > am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just > shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human > factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I > think I'm basically thoroughly confused. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with > the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > >> On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: >> >> Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status >> cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the "Navrow" of buttons >> that the 40 blue does have. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Flor Lynch >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking >> Information >> >> That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as I >> would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I >> have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only helpful >> in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, but that >> doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a Focus14 >> Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of buttons, and >> also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with my iPhone but >> use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Teresa Cochran >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM >> Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking >> Information >> >> I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for >> status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to "left" and >> it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of >> the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't >> display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help >> would seem to indicate. >> >> Teresa >> >> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >> >>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: >>> >>> But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Teresa Cochran >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking >>> Information >>> >>> Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what >>> kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not an >>> issue. >>> >>> Teresa >>> >>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with >>>> a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status >>>> messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if >>>> you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing >>>> information. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>>> On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, >>>>> and >>>>> I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last >>>>> one. >>>>> Teresa >>>>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy >>>>>> <hayasim...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to >>>>>> the >>>>>> left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded >>>>>> status >>>>>> was. >>>>>> Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi, all, >>>>>> I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. When I press >>>>>> the cursor-routing keys in cell 2, keyboard help reports that it toggles >>>>>> expanded description. However, I get no audible or Braille feedback, even >>>>>> when I press n-space for andouncement history. Am I missing something? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Teresa >>>>>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>>>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>>>>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you >>>>>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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