I honestly haven't had any problems to complain about so far in my usage
for the past 3 weeks. any problems have been mine not the IPhone.
Eden
On 11/21/2014 7:27 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:
Actually, not all the voiceover users have these problems either. I updated
today and I am amazed how smoothly the transition has gone. I have had
basically no problems. None of my apps got moved to other places as some have
said would happen. I get all the tones when I dial a call. I don't have any
crashes, and I could go on and on. The one bug I do have is the one in setting
the RingTones and as people have said on the list, there is a simple way to
avoid this. I too complained about the bugs in the first release, but many of
them have been squashed. Obviously some people have not found this so, and I am
sorry that they are having trouble.
I will say this. If everyone on the list who has loudly complained about bugs
have submitted a report to Apple about said bug, they are more likely to be
fixed than if people simply complain on this list. It's one thing to point out
problems so we are all aware of them, but it's yet another to keep on harping
on the fact that it was not perfect to begin with. I hear you. So did Apple.
So, we can either complain about the fact that it was not perfect right out of
the gate, or we can applaud the progress they have made in fixing the bugs that
have been fixed.
Neal
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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Apple updates and things related to accessibility, PDF documents
and Flash
Just to play devil's advocate, I'm not sure needing to put out three updates in
two months is a good thing. Alternatively, Apple could have just put out a OS
with fewer bugs in the first place. I agree working this hard to get these
issues fixed is good, but it isn't as good as not having to fix so much in the
first place.
I'm still facing a lot of the same bugs I saw when IOS 8 was initially released
almost two months ago. Getting updates out is good, but not getting
notifications or having my phone start chattering away in a meeting even though
I have the mute switch on, is getting pretty annoying, especially when you
consider how much I paid for this device, which is exactly what my sighted
counterparts payed, and they don't seem to be having these problems.
BTW, it isn't the carriers that have to add support for their devices and push
out Android updates to their handsets, it's the hand set manufacturers that
have to do this. Sometimes a carrier may logo a device from an OEM and muddy
this distinction a bit though.
On 11/21/2014 11:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Mary,
I started a new thread here since we are straying a fair bit now from
the original thread about Android Lollypop.
I am also still convinced that Apple is commited to accessibility
despite the fact that iOS 8 was released with so many Voiceover bugs.
It really has only been just over 2 months since the release of iOS 8
and even if I don t count that screw-up with iOS 8.0.1 which was
replaced by
8.0.2 the next day, Apple has already released 3 updates to iOS in
that time. Basically simultaneously with the release of iOS 8.1.1
Apple has now released a beta of iOS 8.2 to developers and if the
follow the pattern of iOS 8.1 and 8.1.1 where the beta was released
only 2 or 3 weeks before the public release we could see the public
release of iOS
8.2 before Christmas and even if it does take longer, chances are it
will come in January. I can t discuss improvements, but simply the
fact that Apple is pumping out updates as such a furious pace would
indicate to me that they are dead serious about fixing iOS 8 although
8.2 is also a lot about the Apple Watch as developers now have access
to the tools they need to start creating apps for this new category of iOS
devices.
Anyhow, I don t think neither Android nor Windows can claim to have
released 3 updates which were available to the vast majority of users
in such a short time frame. One thing Apple has definitely done right
is to force carriers to accept that they are in charge of software
updates and releases and not the carrier and I think that is one huge
benefit of Apple and iOS over anybody elses devices/platform.
As for Flash, well, at this point it doesn t look like it s going away
any time soon as I often find websites I go to use it.
I didn t know it was so difficult to read PDF documents with Voiceover
on a Mac. For me that would definitely be a problem because I deal
with all sorts of PDF files every day in my business and I love the
fact that now with Jaws 16 it doesn t even matter any more if they are
accessible PDF s since if they were just scanned I can still get
mostly good results with the new OCR feature which allows me to open a
PDF in Adobe and with 2 keystrokes to recognize the entire document
and read it, search it or copy and paste from it.
Regards,
Sieghard
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