Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1

Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:42:07 -0800

I actually don't think Apple is wrong for downloading updates ahead of time and dropping support for older releases. There are good reasons to do this, and they're related to Apple's model of having the best customer experience and great customer support. I think this is all related to why people buy into the Apple experience.
I do think Apple should be taken to task for not addressing more of these bugs before releasing the software though. I think customers have a right to be frustrated. Apple also doesn't have to postpone their release schedule or scale back their feature set to address more bugs before release. They'd have to do something, it could be one or the other or maybe just putting more money and resources into the release, but they don't have to do both. 

On 11/27/2014 12:27 PM, Sandratomkins wrote:

Hi,

I should like to add my voice to that of Pablo.I too felt somewhat pushed to 
update my for S.The unwanted update had been downloaded to my phone against my 
desires and was  sitting using up the last bit of available space there.I 
could, of course, have deleted it, but it would've downloaded again!add to this 
the fact that I have severely restricted bandwidth  and have no desire to 
download gigs of up dates dthat I don't want.I certainly don't want and cannot 
have this occurring on a repeated basis.Apple is in the wrong here.we should be 
able to downgrade if we find it necessary and we should be able to tick a box 
which says we will only download an update manually.for these reasons I would 
argue that Pablo has been completely correct throughout with regard to these  
policies re updating.

As far as moderation is concerned:I would have thought, given the blurb at the 
bottom of every email, that it would be better had you spent your time 
discouraging people from entering into a feeding frenzy of insulting remarks 
aimed at people who are discontented with the service Apple is in many ways 
foisting upon us.instead, I see you have joined in…

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone


On 27 Nov 2014, at 14:19, Pablo Morales <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Raul.
In the rules of the list, I don't see anywhere anything saying that the 
messages posted to the list, should be something that is positive for apple. 
Are you owner of apple?
No, right?
Ok, so if I am in disagreement with the way how apple is handling the 
accessibility, something that affect me, you, and everybody in this email list. 
What is your problem?
That my emails are not saying that IOs 8.x is great?
No, it is not great, and you know that.
That the way how apple is pushing everybody to upgrade their devices, not 
allowing to reinstall the IOs that the people has already installed is not 
fair, is not good?
Well, Raul, maybe it is something that is not positive, but it is true.
That IOs 8.1.1, after I asked here if they fixed the bugs that IOs 8 had, and 
after read emails saying that there are some bugs, and other people saying that 
IOs 8.1.1 is great, for example Sieghard. Person that looks like he works with 
this matter, and has knowledge.
What is your problem  if after read the post in the list, and after see that I 
wasn't able to  do a restore of my iPhone with the same version of IOs 7.1.2 
that I had installed, I feel me frustrated?
This email list is only for people who works for apple, or people who is happy  
with apple?
No, I don't think so, I understand that this email list is to talk about 
accessibility in apple devices, right?
Talk about accessibility  is everything, good and bad things.
You remind me my country. In my country, or you support the government, talking 
very good about the government, or you become in nothing, you lose your job, 
and you don't receive any support from any authority. Because of that I left my 
country, and now I am living in a great country, with freedom.
Any way, as owner of this email list, you can do what ever you want.
I am very frustrated with apple, with IOs, with the policies of apple, and I 
got the freedom to say that I am getting a  lot of problems with the IOs, and 
also I have the freedom to be mad with the way how apple is handling the 
Updates. Or to be mad for the low quality of IOs. I am not insulting you or any 
body here, aas other members of the list has done against me before.
And by the way, you didn't do anything about it.




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1

Pablo. Every release you go on and on about the same sob story. I'm seriusly 
thinking of revoking your posting privileges on this list if this keeps up.




On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:02 AM, Pablo Morales <[email protected]> wrote:

Yes, I know that I can not go back to IOs 7.1.2, and either, I couldn't restore 
my iPhone with IOs 7.1.2  installed in my phone, because IOs8 7.1.2  is not 
signed for apple. It means that mandatory I have to install IOs 8, liking or 
doesn't liking, I have to.
But I don't understand why, the people is still buying this kind of treatment 
from apple. It is ridiculos, every release, apple make this kind of problems 
with the BT keyboards, but they don't learn of their previous mistakes, again, 
they do the same mistakes, and again, the same mistakes. a Again, it was my 
last apple device.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1

Then you should have stayed with iOS 7.1.2, the issues with bluetooth keyboards 
and braille displays have been well documented. And in case you wonder, no, you 
can't go back to iOS 7.1.2 any more.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1

Hi Sieghard.
Well, I have been using Bluetooth keyboard since my first iphone 4, years ago. 
The problem is that if I am using the Bluetooth keyboard, some times the 
keyboard stop responding. I turn it off, but the virtual keyboard doesn't 
appear,  so I turn on the BT, and is no way to make it to type, or to make the 
iPhone respond. So I have to close what ever I was doing, and try again. Other 
times, if my iPhone gets the lock screen, and I try to deactivate the lock 
screen using my BT, it just doesn't respond, but it doesn't happen always, it 
happen some times.
Other times, if I am trying to type the info in several text boxes, with the bt 
is no way to jump and type several text boxes. I type in the first a few boxes, 
but later the bt keyboard stop working.
It is very bad, because my bt was working perfectly in IOs7.1.2.



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1

Hi Pablo,

I don't use a bluetooth keyboard a lot, but I think most of the problems were 
fixed. Anyhow, it's not like you didn't know what you were getting into, 
especially the issue with bluetooth keyboards and braille devices has been 
discussed exhaustively. It might help if you more specifically explain what 
exactly your problems are. I do assume you know that you have to turn quick nav 
off in order to enter text?

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Morales
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1

Hi Sieghard
Yes, I guess that apple did so. I am getting a lot of problems with the 
Bluetooth keyboard, and I need to use the Bluetooth keyboard, a lot!
I am noticing a little bit slow my phone, I am not talking about how voice over 
works, I am talking about how my iPhone respond to the events.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1

The 2-finger double tap works I would say 90% or so of the time. Every now and 
then it will start playing whatever audio I was last listening to, usually 
Audible, instead of answering the call. In that case I just 2-finger double tap 
again to stop the audio and then double tap the accept button to answer the 
call. Like I said, it happens rarely, but it still does happen from time to 
time.

Pablo, I hope Apple put a few extra bugs into your copy of iOS 8.1.1 just 
because we all love to hear you complain *smile*.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1

I can double tap to answer all calls.

Neal


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Morales
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:51 PM
To: viphone
Subject: starting with IOs 8.1.1

Hi all.
Well, I love to make troubles, and because of that, I tried IOs 8.1.1, to see 
what I can say about this release.
Well guys, I thought that it will be so bad, but, no. IOs 8.1.1 is not too bad, 
I just found a few instability some times, and the most bugs that IOs 8.1 had 
are fixed. Just right now I am missing answering phone calls with 2 fingers, 
double tab, but I see that we have to do a double tab on th accept button. Any 
how, IOs 8.1.1 is not so bad, and I am starting to be exploring this IOs.
Just be ready guys, because I will be making complain about it soon.

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