I used Verizon's US based SIP trunks. Not using them currently though due to not being able to get ahold of our account manager. I believe they have multiple quality tiers.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 2:45 PM Dovid Bender <[email protected]> wrote: > I need to get whatever Verizon link your using. We have multiple trunks > with them (SIP & SS7) in Europe and as of late it's been hit or miss. > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jared Geiger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you're using Thinq for international and don't want to deal with LCR >> and generating rates for just a small amount of traffic, build a Verizon >> International only trunk with them and push all your traffic out there. You >> probably won't run into many issues. The slightly higher rates will be >> easier than dealing with the management headaches. Verizon does a really >> good job about keeping FAS out from the areas I've used them on. >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Shripal Daphtary <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> this is all so annoying b/c we do so little international, >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 1:57 PM Jared Geiger <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Another annoyance to watch out for is all codes from various carriers >>>> won't match up. For example UK Landlines. Some carriers will say country >>>> code 44 is landlines and give you a rate, then break out 447XXX for the >>>> mobiles. Others will give a rate for 441 and 442. Then some will give a >>>> rate for 442, 4420, 44203, 44207 or some combination of those which they >>>> should all end up being compressed to 442. So your LCR has to do the >>>> longest prefix match per carrier and then compare against carriers. Not >>>> necessarily shortest prefix match. For example: >>>> >>>> Number dialed: 44-20-7499-9000 >>>> Carrier A: 44 - 0.0025 >>>> Carrier B: 442 - 0.0045 >>>> Carrier C: 44207 - 0.0085 >>>> >>>> The obvious LCR is carrier A, but the last time I tested A2Billing, it >>>> would say Carrier C is the winner because the rest of the carriers don't >>>> have a rate for 44207. The other LCR option at the time would do shortest >>>> prefix match which could cause issues with mobile calls being incorrectly >>>> routed and rated. Things may have changed as my experience with A2Billing >>>> was many years ago, but it should apply to LCR calculations in general. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:24 AM Shripal Daphtary <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Paul and Dovid -- >>>>> >>>>> I guess the question is what if i get a completion for the most >>>>> expensive carrier as opposed to the cheapest, and it turns out i'm >>>>> underwater? The issue is the variance btw carrier1 (cheapest) and >>>>> carrier6 >>>>> (most expensive) could be 40 cents at times or more. >>>>> >>>>> I'll take a look at GCS and R&R as well >>>>> >>>>> We have an implementation of a2 billing to route international, but >>>>> use it mostly to limit fraud exposure. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM Paul Stamoulis < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Int’l rating and routing is not for the feint of heart or the hurried >>>>>> – 215k of unique rating/routing options or “breakouts” as known in the >>>>>> industry, is not too bad. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can use MS excel if you have the time to continually update and >>>>>> are familiar with excel macros but remember that rate updates come at >>>>>> least >>>>>> 5once or twice a week with most vendors so times that by the number of >>>>>> vendors and be ready to update-update-update or else you can lose money. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You may be better off either purchasing specialized SW or using one >>>>>> of the many cloud based companies to manage your rates for you; GCS is >>>>>> one >>>>>> such company in the USA and R&R is another – I have no relations with >>>>>> either company but I hear that they are both decent. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You should try to use all 6 carriers because, you are going to find >>>>>> that when one of the cheaper vendors does NOT work to one of the >>>>>> breakouts, >>>>>> then usually the other cheap vendors do NOT either. That’s when you need >>>>>> to >>>>>> be 6 or more routes deep or risk upsetting clients. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as the mark-up on rates, don’t sweat that too much round up >>>>>> and have a larger markup for the cheaper rates. For retial certainly , >>>>>> you >>>>>> should have more than enough room and for wholesale int’l sales, well >>>>>> that’s a whole other subject that gets much more complex… good luck, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Paul Stamoulis +1 212 444 3003 Onestopcorp – thousands of >>>>>> technology solutions... just one call!* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Please connect at >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/ >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/>* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* VoiceOps <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Shripal >>>>>> Daphtary >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 10:10 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey group, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question that I have been struggling with for years and have >>>>>> never come up with a good solution for. It revolves around International >>>>>> Rate Deck creation, but i guess it could be for any tariff. We have >>>>>> multiple carriers for International, however, i'm trying out Thinq right >>>>>> now so we can use their LCR. Our other carriers aren't very successful >>>>>> with Intl. Thinq's rate deck to me is 6 carriers for each prefix, making >>>>>> it around 215,000 lines. The carrier(s) that have the lowest cost for >>>>>> each >>>>>> prefix varies, so i can't turn off the most expensive three or something >>>>>> like that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was thinking of taking the least expensive 3 carriers and then >>>>>> averaging them and creating my rate from that average and then only allow >>>>>> Thinq to go 3 carriers deep. Does anyone have any experience with this? >>>>>> Are there any best practices? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The second part of the question is how does one calculate the profit >>>>>> margin? Let's say you wanted to make 35% for retail and 20% for >>>>>> wholesale, >>>>>> but if you call UK landline, the cost is only 0.004. Your rate would be >>>>>> 0.0054 for retail and 0.0048, which is nothing. We have been doing >>>>>> something like If your cost is less than 0.03, then increase by 35% or >>>>>> 20% >>>>>> or whatever. however, that doesn't always work if the cost is super >>>>>> close >>>>>> to your target. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have any hard and fast rules that they use when creating >>>>>> decks? is there software that can help my puny brain think through this? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Shri >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> VoiceOps mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> VoiceOps mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> >
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