Do you have a way to NOT route calls that are losing money?  That would solve 
the “underwater rate” problem…. Otherwise, you really can not do wholesale at 
all…

Paul Stamoulis    +1 212 444 3003     Onestopcorp – thousands of technology 
solutions... just one call!

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From: Shripal Daphtary <shrip...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 1:24 PM
To: Paul Stamoulis <pstamou...@onestoptel.net>
Cc: VoiceOps@voiceops.org
Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck

Thanks Paul and Dovid --

I guess the question is what if i get a completion for the most expensive 
carrier as opposed to the cheapest, and it turns out i'm underwater?  The issue 
is the variance btw carrier1 (cheapest) and carrier6 (most expensive) could be 
40 cents at times or more.

I'll take a look at GCS and R&R as well

We have an implementation of a2 billing to route international, but use it 
mostly to limit fraud exposure.



On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM Paul Stamoulis 
<pstamou...@onestoptel.net<mailto:pstamou...@onestoptel.net>> wrote:
Int’l rating and routing is not for the feint of heart or the hurried – 215k of 
unique rating/routing options or “breakouts” as known in the industry, is not 
too bad.

You can use MS excel if you have the time to continually update and are 
familiar with excel macros but remember that rate updates come at least 5once 
or twice a week with most vendors so times that by the number of vendors and be 
ready to update-update-update or else you can lose money.

You may be better off either purchasing specialized SW or using one of the many 
cloud based companies to manage your rates for you; GCS is one such company in 
the USA and R&R is another – I have no relations with either company but I hear 
that they are both decent.

You should try to use all 6 carriers because, you are going to find that when 
one of the cheaper vendors does NOT work to one of the breakouts, then usually 
the other cheap vendors do NOT either. That’s when you need to be 6 or more 
routes deep or risk upsetting clients.

As far as the mark-up on rates, don’t sweat that too much round up and have a 
larger markup for the cheaper rates. For retial certainly , you should have 
more than enough room and for wholesale int’l sales, well that’s a whole other 
subject that gets much more complex… good luck,

Paul Stamoulis    +1 212 444 3003     Onestopcorp – thousands of technology 
solutions... just one call!

Please connect at https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/


From: VoiceOps 
<voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org<mailto:voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org>> On Behalf 
Of Shripal Daphtary
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 10:10 AM
To: VoiceOps@voiceops.org<mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org>
Subject: [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck

Hey group,

I have a question that I have been struggling with for years and have never 
come up with a good solution for.  It revolves around International Rate Deck 
creation, but i guess it could be for any tariff.   We have multiple carriers 
for International, however, i'm trying out Thinq right now so we can use their 
LCR.  Our other carriers aren't very successful with Intl.  Thinq's rate deck 
to me is 6 carriers for each prefix, making it around 215,000 lines. The 
carrier(s) that have the lowest cost for each prefix varies, so i can't turn 
off the most expensive three or something like that.

I was thinking of taking the least expensive 3 carriers and then averaging them 
and creating my rate from that average and then only allow Thinq to go 3 
carriers deep. Does anyone have any experience with this?   Are there any best 
practices?

The second part of the question is how does one calculate the profit margin?  
Let's say you wanted to make 35% for retail and 20% for wholesale, but if you 
call UK landline, the cost is only 0.004.  Your rate  would be 0.0054 for 
retail and 0.0048, which is nothing.  We have been doing something like If your 
cost is less than 0.03, then increase by 35% or 20% or whatever.  however, that 
doesn't always work if the cost is super close to your target.

Does anyone have any hard and fast rules that they use when creating decks? is 
there software that can help my puny brain think through this?


Thanks !

Shri
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