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Yves, Why don't you post what you sent me directly to the list. Seems that everybody here could benefit from some Vircom communication or is that not company policy? Vircom deserves some ear bashing because it has behaved in a manner that deserves that action. A year without updates is just a bloody joke. There are plenty of really good mail products out there and if Vircom don't like me poking them in the eye they can always remove me from the list. With customer lists you have to take the good with the bad. ..Petar ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Payer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: [VOPmail Beta] changelog of vopmail ? > * This is the vopmailbeta mailing list * > > > It was not my intention to bash Vircom as a company. I like the product. It > has served me well. > > I also agree that companies have the right to pursue the market they see > best fit for them. > > What is difficult to deal with is a company that doesn't keep their > customers informed about the product(s) they have come to rely on. There was > a strong effort last summer to get people to renew their contracts because > they could not do so in the future, if they were not current. There is an > implication there that there was a reason to renew the contract: there would > be fixes and improvements. > > I am not so bound that I cannot choose another product. If I were to do > that, Vircom would lose $1k over the next 4 years from me and others like > me. It seems logical that a company would try to keep a flow of hundreds of > such customers so at least this much revenue would come in. Yes, this is not > the high dollar stuff they would like to have. But a non-communicative > company is not what I would like to have either. > > I don't like to directly challenge Vircom on their own list. They provide > this for us. My words are my attempt to have them consider a customer base > that they could benefit from, if not on the grand level they once did. Of > course, that assumes they read this list. > > David P. > > > > > > Before this degenerates into a flamefest against Vircom, it should be > > said > > that they have every right to change or elevate their business model as > > they > > see fit. The truth is that perhaps the size and financial resources of > > the > > clients Vircom use to cater too no longer fits into the current phase of > > their business development. > > > > For the record, there's nothing wrong with that, nor is there any > > expectation that companies should be tied down forever by their > > beginnings > > or initial product offerings. > > > > The only thing I think is reasonable to object to is if the sales > > department > > is pushing support contracts by promising development that will never > > come - > > and using that money to improve newer higher-end products. That's the > > only > > case in which the recent state of VOPMail should adversely affect > > Vircom's > > reputation and future in any way...and that's yet to be seen. Another 9 > > to > > 12 months will tell. > > > > My 2 cents... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Petar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:22 AM > > Subject: [VOPmail Beta] changelog of vopmail ? > > > > > > > * This is the vopmailbeta mailing list * > > > > > > > > > I hate to say I told you so, but I did! > > > > > > Vircom shafts clients with older products. They don't even have the > > > common decency to tell you so you can plan for future changes or > > > upgrades. > > > > > > It has been a long time since they were that 'great software company' > > > that made us all feel at home and looked after. > > > > > > They got to big and preoccupied with other things and just plain > > > neglected the existing customers that helped them get where they > > > are in the first place. > > > > > > They will end up going down the gurgled wondering why they don't have > > > a clue how it all happened. > > > > > > Not a single cent will ever go the direction of vircom again from this > > little > > > black duck. > > > > > > Maybe someone would like to start a old-vircom-customers list and we > > could > > > keep the chat going after they have disappeared. > > > > > > Linux rocks, vircom sucks. > > > > > > ..Petar > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luiz Lima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:58 AM > > > Subject: [VOPmail Beta] changelog of vopmail ? > > > > > > > > > > * This is the vopmailbeta mailing list * > > > > > > > > > > > > David, > > > > > > > > VOPMail and VPRRS have been abandoned, although it's not official. > > Perhaps > > > > Vircom thinks it may get back to them in some time. > > > > > > > > I would love to see VOPMail turned into a modusMail without the > > moduscan > > > > service. That would be honest, IMHO. All the benefits from the mail > > server > > > > itself would go to both plataforms, but VOPMail would remain without > > virus > > > > and sieve, just the way modus is if you turn off moduscan. > > > > > > > > VPRRS, OTOH, should have at least one person taking care of it, at > > least > > 50% > > > > of the time. I'm sure all our support contracts cover that cost. We > > still > > > > have no real support for a lot of stuff (specially wireless and DSL) > > and > > I > > > > really don't see any changes coming. > > > > > > > > Too bad. > > > > > > > > Just one thing you must consider. A new policy at Vircom (about a > > year > > old) > > > > says that if you don't renew your upgrade insurance when it expires > > then > > you > > > > won't be able to renew it at a later time. To get a new version > > you'd > > have > > > > to buy the product again. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Luiz Lima > > > > Image Link Internet > > > > http://www.imagelink.com.br > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Payer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:40 PM > > > > Subject: [VOPmail Beta] changelog of vopmail ? > > > > > > > > > > > > * This is the vopmailbeta mailing list * > > > > > > > > There has not been a change in VOPMail for one year. No updates, no > > changes, > > > > no massive failures, the company has not folded, canada is still on > > the > > map, > > > > Yves still works for the company for all we know, and it appears > > that > > > > VOPMail is the neglected child of the Vircom family of products now > > that > > big > > > > brother modus has arrived and taken the center stage. > > > > > > > > David P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email. > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email. > > > > > > ** > > To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email. > > > ** > To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email. > ** To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email.
