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Jeff, Another good point. Legislation means only as much as its enforcement. That's why AOHELL and a couple of others are pursuing civil suits against spammers. Because of the amounts they are seeking in damages I believe that their strategy is to make examples of these spammerss. I think it has value as a strategy but it needs to be furthered by all of us, the problem being that we all don't have AOHELL, or MS types of financial resources to use against them. That's why I'm calling for a new organization of independent ISP's who can pool resources to do these kinds of things, pool resources to accomplish a lot of goals that would take up more time if we do them singly. We all have our various areas of expertise, some technical, some business and peer to peer networking is essential if we are going to survive in a business that is increasingly being taken over by the mega ISP's such as Earthlink, MSN, AOHELL and others. There are even some out there who want to kill us off entirely like SBC. We need to become a lot more pro-active in terms of working together to solve common issues, face common enemies and to generally share information that works to help us all. MikeH ---- I won't rise to the occasion, but I'll slide over to it. Mike Herrera Access One Online Services http://www.access-one.com http://www.peercon.org -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff - MIS Sciences Corporation Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [VOPmail Beta] * This is the vopmailbeta mailing list * Salama Legislation, in and of itself, will not change behavior, it takes enforcement, either criminal (if this is a criminal statue) or civil. Who will enforce this? Unless funds are budgeted for enforcement, this will be one of the thousand of "feel good" laws that are completely useless. California has anit-spam laws on the books, and we are currently going after a California company for violation of the California specific statue. It has a liquidated damages clause, which means I do not have to prove damages, just a violation. http://www.missciences.com/califBP.asp Jeff ** To leave this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put the word "LEAVE" in the BODY of the email.
