Jones wrote: From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: MAHG vs BLP reaction
> Steven, > > > Would anyone care (or dare) to speculate on the similarities and > > dissimilarities between Nicholas Moller's MAHG device and Randy > > Mill's BLP catalytic reaction? > > There is obviously some overlap. In Mills view, hydrogen is > consummed, but JLN has now run this long enough to know that no > hydrogen is consumed in MAHG. This must mean that the power source > is ultimately ZPE and not the hydrino. ***Not so at all.*** Hydrogen is a fuel in BLP reactions, but the reactions are so energetic that an MAHG device could run a **very** long time before all the H atoms react. Further, even if H is converted to hydrinos, these can also react to vield still further energy. These chains of reactions, starting with H+2H, have already been observed in the GEC reactor experiments by Phillips et.al. The Naudin experiments are simply not designed detect the Balmer line broadening signature of BLP reactions, or the EUV signatures of the hydrino reactions, or the energy balance that would result from the BLP reactions. > > > I perceive certain similarities between BLP's Balmer line > > "excess heat" readings and Moller's extraordinary claims of > > generated heat. For example both devices appear to only operate > > at rarified atmospheric pressures. I also wonder what would > > happen if He (a typical BLP catalyst) were to be introduced into > > the MAHG device - whether that would cause significant changes > > to the amount of heat generated. That's a good question. But remember that 2H also provide the energy hole for resonant transfer from a single H. this is a three-body reaction, so relatively uncommon, but in the close recirculating H of the MAHG cell it cannot be discounted.And as Phillips showed, once hydrinos are produced, they can catalyze other BLP reactions. > > Prior to recently, Mills did not recognize W as a hydrino > catalyst. Jones is mistaken here about the role of W in the Mills thermal cell. It is as in the MAHG cell, a hydrogen dissociator. Hot W dissociates H2 gas to 2H, and the H's participate in resoanat transfer BLP reactions with other H's, specifically H+2H, as discussed in Phillips' papers. W is not a hydrino catalyst. My version of CQM does not list it (Table 5.2). He has > since then broadened the definition of hydrino catalyst and I have > been told that only three elements in the periodic table are now > excluded ;-) so basically this overgrasping makes the term > meaningless - but lets give credit where credit is due - IF the > MAHG works better with Ni, which is Mills original catalyst, then > yes this device could be in his territory - unfortunately however, > Langmuir found it 70 years ago. Jones, *exactly* what is the source for "I have been told that only three elements in the periodic table are now excluded ;-) so basically this overgrasping makes the term meaningless " ? In an old paper Mills made cursour screening tests for catalys activity across most of the periodic table, selecting a few for further work. You cna phiosophically assert, and I would agree, that if the resonant transfer reaction is a fundamental discovery as Mills uses it, then surely it may be found with other atoms in various states in various reactions -- this is a whole realm of discovery. But this is far from the implication that there is no slectivity among elements for these reactions in the specified consditions. And Jones, how do you conclude that the Ni cathodes used in the early BLP electrolytic cells were "catalysts"? The catalyst, clearly stated by Mills, is K+, derived from the potassium carbonate used as an electrolyte. The electgrolytic process liberates both H and K+ at the cathode interface, where there is opportunity for them to participate in the BLP resonant transfer reaction. > > > > The pulsed frequency range of the tungsten filament is stated at > > around 10 megahertz. > > Not anymore. That is an error on Sterling's page. The frequency > used now is only 50 hertz. In other word, standard French mains frequency, an obvious convenience in mounting an experiment. > > > PS: In my view Naudin is performing a great humanitarian service > > by freely publishing the data of his MAHG runs. May his efforts > > quicken the ultimate Holy Grail of closing the loop on this > > fascinating 70 year-old technology. I hope Naudin's mysterious > > financial backers never dry up. > > Exactamundo !! or else that others build on the lessons of the > MAHG device and take the hybrid Mills/Mahg to the next level - > that could be a microwave augmented thermoacoustic resonator which > is self-powering. If Naudin is correct - the potential is there. > With Mills' thin plasmas -80 times less dense - there will never > be adequate power density for self-power unless you have a > gigantic tube - which then looses efficiency. And thereby you begin the difficult journey to commercial scale up which Mills now faces. The low pressure gas used for research is not necessarily the whole picture. Milsl has seen power densities approaching that of an IC engine in a 3 cc volume. His COP, looking only at the cell, has been quite high for some time. What counts is concocting a **system** with new energy yield. Mike Carrell
