I really don't want this topic to drag on - it is making a mountain out of an ant hill. Strictly speaking Piantelli is correct. There are hydrogen ions and anions adsorbed onto a properly prepared surface of Ni (read his patent application, now published). It is a small, probably negligible energy, but one that in exotic applications you should not ignore without evaluating its magnitude. This may be particularly true if you are calculating the energy of a small cluster of atoms as mentioned in his patent applications.
Jed is right - it is really really small. Piantelli is correct that it is an accountable energy storage. Let's just end it there and move on with more interesting topics. Why not start a new thread to discuss the role of the H- ion, which in Piantelli's patent, is implicated in his theory of why it works. Please re-name the thread for that discussion. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Bob Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > Bob Higgins and Axil-- > > In nano Ni systems we have discussed many ideas about the nature of H(D) > in such systems. This has included the potential existence of Cooper > pairs of H, BEC's of these pairs, ionized hydrogen plasmas, H monatomic > gas, H diatomic gas, and various forms of molecular and crystalline H in > combination with other elements. The system's parameters, such as > temperature, pressure, H and B magnetic fields, magnetic moments, sonic > vibrations, EM resonant fields, allowable spin energy transitions, etc., > all may influence the population of ionic H and its lifetime in the nano > system. > > If the lifetimes of the ionic H or its production from other forms of H is > somehow influenced by these system parameters such that time constants for > transitions of H from state to state are NOT instantaneous, then the system > can be regarded as storing energy, and its release should be evaluated and > accounted for with time IMHO. > > Jed seems to miss this point that the production of H ions may be delayed > with some effective time constant in Piantelli's Ni system. Time constants > such as I have suggested make the dynamics and control of the system > difficult to understand, but necessary to understand, if the mechanism for > the LENR is to see the light of day. > > For example, in common fission reactors, energy production and energy > balances, including decay heat calculations, include the production of > protons, their kinetic energies, and the generation of 13.6 MEV associated > with the radiation they give off as they collect electrons and become a > neutral H atom. This is a delayed H reaction with a time constant for the > macroscopic system, considered relative to the total energy balance, and > used to size decay heat cooling systems. The contribution of this mechanism > to produce decay heat may be small compared to other sources, but it is > still considered. > > Bob Cook > > >
