Bob, forming of molecular Hydrogen is indeed often mentioned by embrittlement experts, but imagine what would happen when sufficient UDH inside metal lattices would be activated.
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Bob Higgins <[email protected]> wrote: > My understanding of at least the conventional thinking of hydrogen > embrittlement of irons has to do with internal dislocations and vacancies > in the iron. The hydrogen can penetrated iron in its neutral monatomic > form but cannot as H2. When the hydrogen gets loaded into the iron as a > monatomic species and encounters a void/dislocation/vacancy, it may hang > around in there long enough for it to encounter another monatomic hydrogen > and then it forms an H2 molecule. The H2 molecule cannot escape. > Eventually more and more H2 molecules are formed in the void and it becomes > high pressure, putting a great deal of stress on the lattice causing the > embrittlement. > > In the UHD form, the hydrogen would simply escape from the void; and thus, > UHD would seem to be counter to that which I think of as embrittlement of > iron. > > Also, keep in mind that most FexOy catalysts are formed as fine oxide (+ > alkali) particles that are agglomerated into a larger, but highly porous > body. These are not like rust on an iron slug. The whole idea is for H2 > to be able to breathe through the material. > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Teslaalset <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Good point. Embrittlement could indeed be coupled to UHD. >> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Typically, in the production of iron, hematite is reduced using coke or >>> coal… almost never with hydrogen. That is because there are known problems >>> with hydrogen, besides cost. >>> >>> >>> >>> The main reason for using carbon is that coal and coke is extremely >>> cheap – and it takes a lot of it, but hydrogen when present tends to cause >>> “hydrogen embrittlement” in iron, which could be related to UDH. In fact, >>> coke is used instead of coal because it has no hydrogen content. >>> >>> >>> >>> Embrittlement, in severe cases is related to long time exposure to >>> hydrogen, and this could indicate that some of the damage is being caused >>> by UDH, as it densifies and penetrates. IOW, any hydrogen exposure to iron >>> causes problems – and the longer the exposure, the worse the problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Teslaalset >>> >>> >>> >>> Ø wouldn't that have caused numeral problems at traditional production >>> of magnetite using 3Fe2O3 + H2 → 2Fe3O4 +H2O, assuming UDH can be made >>> in a similar manner ? Holmlid indicated in one of his papers that UDH can >>> be formed as well using Shell 105 catalyst. >>> >>> The “leap of faith” and it is large… is that in a matrix of iron-oxide, >>> loaded with pressurized deuterium which is absorbed (and is bosonic) there >>> will be an continuous oscillation and change in volume of the >>> nanopores, when hematite changes to magnetite and back again – and this >>> oscillation will create shock waves which are comparable at that small >>> geometry, to what Holmlid sees with laser pulses. These would occur at >>> IR frequencies in a heated pressure vessel, which is also magnetized. >>> Because of the IR, there could be a plasmonic effect. >>> >>> The nano shock waves would be combined with large changes in local >>> magnetism, as the phase shifts from ferromagnetic ordering to >>> antiferromagnetic >>> rapidly. There is likely to be a contribution from DCE – the dynamical >>> Casimir effect. >>> >>> >> >
