Proton proton involves the creation of charmed and strange quarks(the
D-meson?). When you figure out how those guys work, explain it simply so
that both me and your grandmother can understand it.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 7:40 PM, <bobcook39...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would question why a neutral Kaon can not decay into 2 neutral muons?
> If the data on normal Kaon decay is from high energy 2-body reactions, then
> resonant stimulation of D and p by EM may result in entirely different
> results statistically—i.e., 2 neutral kaons instead of a + and – pair being
> likely.
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> Again, whatever the nature of the neutral particles, how they get their
> kinetic energy/momentum is a key question for Holmild.
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> Another question involves the balancing of quarks available and whether
> the standard theory is at risk?  I’ll take a look at this issue myself and
> report back on the results expected for a meson-pion-muon series of events,
> if I can figure it out.
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> Bob Cook
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> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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> *From: *Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 21, 2017 4:00 PM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *RE: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.
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> The vital question is about the rate vs. distance for the emergence of
> detectable muons. Surely there is a distribution bell curve regarding which
> we cold fusioneers are most interested in the nearest limb of that
> distribution. This then speaks to the reaction rate producing the meson
> beasties which presumably is directly related to the anomalous nuclear
> reaction rate, aka cold fusion as that’s been the moniker for good or for
> worse. For the capture of crazy meson/muons and resulting in detection it
> seems a combined intercepting/converting metal foil coupled to
> scintillation detector, aka GMT, works just fine provided the reaction rate
> is sufficient, aka > joules/sec …  more is better remember we are out on a
> limb here. Any ideas about what might ‘reflect’ a meson, perhaps beryllium
> as it is the best neutron reflector. Such reflectors might improve the
> containment and hence time the meson/muon beasties stay close enough for
> detection.
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> Just for fun maybe it’s worth building a beryllium frustrum and thus have
> our di-lithium crystal warp drive. Computer draw me the wee specs for a
> transparent beryllium frustrum. Computer. Computer…. I dunna know what’s
> wrong with this computer it cannae do what I am asking it to do.
>
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> *From:* Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2017 2:55 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New paper from Holmlid.
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> I believe there are circular arguments going on here.  On the one hand you
> are saying that neutral mesons are decaying into muons (charged) far from
> the reactor.  But also there is the claim of fusion in his reactor, wherein
> many are supposing MCF.  He is also measuring charged particles in his
> reactor.  The decay "times" are statistical means and there will be some
> probability of a decay from t = zero to infinity.  That's why it is
> possible to see mesons -> muons in the reactor, more outside the reactor,
> and more further away from the reactor.
>
> So, I am saying that there are meson decays going on all along the path
> from the reactor.  Muons should be easy to detect because they are charged
> and likely to interact with the scintillator crystal/liquid/plastic or by
> exciting photoelectron cascades in the GM tube. The fact that the
> corresponding muons are not detected in ordinary LENR with GM tubes and
> scintillators basically means that, in LENR, mesons are not produced.  They
> may not be produced in Holmlid's reaction ... but I have to finish reading
> the paper to understand the case he is claiming.
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> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Bob Higgins wrote:
>
> The descriptions in 5,8) below suggests that Holmlid's reaction produces a
> high muon flux that would escape the reactor.  A high muon flux would be
> very similar to a high beta flux.  First of all, it would seem that a flux
> of charged muons would be highly absorbed in the reactor walls.
>
>
> Bob - Yes, this has been the obvious criticism in the past, but it has
> been addressed.
>
> As I understand it, the muons which are detected* do not exist* until the
> meson, which is the progenitor particle, is many meters away. This makes
> the lack of containment of muons very simple to understand.
>
> At one time muons were thought to exist as neutral instead of charged (see
> the reference Bob Cook sent, from 1957) but in fact, the observers at that
> time, due to poor instrumentation - were seeing neutral mesons, not muons.
>
> As an example, a neutral Kaon decays to two muons one negative and one
> positive. However, the lifetime of the Kaon which is much shorter than the
> muon but still about ~10^-8 seconds means that on average 99+% of the
> particles are tens to hundreds of meters away before they decay to muons.
> Thus the reactor is transparent to the progenitor particle.
>
> This is why Holmlid places a muon detector some distance away and then
> calculates the decay time. Thus he claims an extraordinarily high flux of
> muons which assumes that the detector is mapping out a small space on a
> large sphere. However, they are not usable any more than neutrinos are
> usable, since they start out as a neutral meson.
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