It's not hard to bracket with attenuating metal foils of different elements and thicknesses the energy ballpark of the energetic emissions reaching the Geiger. Having done this I promptly ordered a decent NaI Gamma Spectrometer which I should have up and running within a week. The bracketed 'gamma' also comes with an observable half-life that fits with likely reactions. I have been known all my life for doing 'crowd science' and collaborating with kindred scientists by packing my kit and conducting my experiments in their labs. Few came to do the same in my lab, ces't la vie. The internet is such a zoo filled with all manner of wild-life. The abundance of trolls and would be trolls on the net is only surpassed by the number of posturing wanna bees that all too often are revealed as bot flies. Amongst these are of course some kindred souls and it is because of these, you are one, that I keep butting my head up against the social, or more the anti-social, media. It is, in my experience, a constant characteristic of internet denizens that anyone sharing something of interest is set upon by those who want to be gifted everything that person might know without so much as a how do you do my name is . introduction. In addition every field of science, especially frontier sciences, is overshadowed by vultures seeking to consume whatever they can prey upon. Some such vultures are professionals and state sponsored. It behoves one to have some standards for engaging in exchanges of ideas. One of my business partners Admiral Bud Zumwalt used to admonish me saying "Russ, just show them a little thigh, you know they will want to see a whole lot more. Make them do something for the rest of show." Fusing as always Russ George Atom-ecology.russgeorge.net From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:09 PM To: email@example.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems Russ- How do you know you are getting a "gamma signal" using a Geiger counter? Separately, you note: "By the way I am willing to engage privately with truly interested participants in this important field provided they introduce themselves and have something of equivalent value to offer in exchange, that's the way science and society has always worked." I note that the close-knit exchange of technical ideas is the opposite of open science and is not the way science and society "always worked". Although such a model of science and society has evolved over the last 100 years to be an acceptable model for the current closed science community, it is slowly losing favor to an open flow of technical ideas, with relative value determined by individual mental processes, more or less supportive of societal values at large. As a progressive political advocate, I am optimistic that the free flow of ideas is supportive of society at large. Bob Cook From: Russ <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 12:09 AM To: firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems One has to wonder where anyone might have channelled the comment about my experiment and its 'lovely gammas' being 'unfueled'. That is most certainly not the case, there is a very specifically conceived and prepared 'fuel mix' that is producing the raw gamma signal that has been shared. A number of other fuel mix experiments have been run in parallel showing no such gamma signal save one other. I use a tiny amount of fuel, a volume equal to 5-10 grains of rice, but it is cold fusion 'fuel' that was chosen with guidance of the atom-ecology of the environment it would be subjected to and create. By the way I also prepare and load this fuel in air, a fact that might be a big tip to those skilled in the art. As my planned progression of fuel mixes go into the oven(s) over the next few weeks I expect/hope more about the specific characteristics of the atom-ecology where cold fusion is prevalent will be revealed. I have spent some decades preparing and working with experiments that produced what my friend Martin Fleischmann called 'high fugacity deuterium', aka UHD systems. In my opinion no one truly 'skilled in the art' of cold fusion would do otherwise. 'Search for the nuclear smoke' was the admonishment at the beginning of cold fusion some 30 years ago, the best advice from the best minds of the time was 'if you have nuclear fire you must have nuclear smoke.' Fleischmann after some years fessed up to cold fusion peers and noted that the hotter one runs cold fusion experiments the better! Limited of course by what the hot environment does to the fuel components. Heat is the enemy of high fugacity. In my work I began by utilizing mass spec services from the top laboratories as well as building my own low mass helium spectrometers. This sort of hands on experimentation is what it takes to make, find, and deliver cold fusion. While cold fusion heat needs to be present and is the useful palpable technology I principally was interested in and observed 4He in vast amounts 100ppm or more, far above the 5.22 ppm of helium in air and almost never any penetrating emissions. Many of those searches for penetrating emissions used state of the art LN2 cooled large germanium spectrometers and a variety of similar state of the art neutron - all failing to see the penetrating emissions sought. These social media forums are sometimes useful and a few grains of good ideas sometimes are found amongst the abundance of chaff. But the anonymous internet makes it impossible to put a measure of trust in what is posted, especially by those who lack the courage of their convictions, interest, and intentions to make themselves known. That results in such blather as what this reply is about that I have used an unfueled experiment. By the way I am willing to engage privately with truly interested participants in this important field provided they introduce themselves and have something of equivalent value to offer in exchange, that's the way science and society has always worked. The work I do is on a single small lab bench with very limited resources, progress might expand geometrically with bench space and additional helping hands and minds. Those wanting to be part and add to the venture are welcome, those only wanting to add to their inner vulture are not. Adventure vs. Advulture, ever it has been so. Fusing as always Russ George Atom-ecology.russgeorge.net From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:05 PM To: vortex-l <firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com> > Subject: [Vo]:fueled vs. unfueled LENR systems I would like to draw a fundamental distinction between two classes of LENR systems: Fueled and unfueled systems. In the 2011 time-frame when Rossi saw gamma, he was running an unfueled system,so was Piantelli and Celani. Russ George is now experimenting with an unfueled system. The development of LENR fuel came latter as an innovation by Rossi. I speculate that Rossi found that when he reused ash from his reactors, they were very LENR active. Rossi perfected LENR fuel and started to use it in his tube reactors. The fuel was self contained and could be loaded in air. With this fuel, the hydrogen nickel reaction did not seem to matter anymore. Lugano is an example, Also gamma commissions went away when using LENR Fuel. I beleive that the active agent in LENR fuel is ultra dense hydrogen. Rossi, me356, the ECCO reactor and the LION reactor all use LENR fuel. Gamma will not come from these systems since ultra dense hydrogen is a superconductor. UDH has a near perfect Q factor and forms a condensate immediately and instantly. I have advised any LENR reactor builders who will lessen to produce LENR fuel directly by acquiring a Holmlid UDH generator. Just load that UDH into a tube reactor and you are good to go.