Re: Helmholtz Layer Metal-Water Interface, Joe Cell Etc

Thu, 25 May 2006 06:51:02 -0700

In trying to ascertain my own sanity, if the engine combustion process
is normal and using the 4.8E8 joule 4 gallon gasoline equivalent
in a 2 hour (7200 second) "50 mph 100 mile trip" it begs the question
of how much free "auto-electrolysis" would be occurring in the
4 compartment-cell ~ 4000 square centimeter Joe Cell figuring
2.5 eV (4.0E-19 joule per H-OH generated and recombined in the engine
combustion process.
 
4.8E8/[7200*4.0E-19] = 1.66E23/6.25E18 = 26,666 ampere-seconds
 
26,666/4000 =6.66 amperes per square centimeter with
12 volts at 1.0 ampere Joe Cell "pilot current".
 
Not bad if the "auto-electrolysis" is occurring on the 316 stainless steel electrode
surfaces.
----- Original Message -----
From: Frederick Sparber
To: vortex-l
Sent: 5/25/2006 5:24:49 AM
Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer Metal-Water Interface, Joe Cell Etc

According to Klein's fans, he "got 100 miles out of 4 ounces of water".
Figuring 25 miles/gallon running on gasoline only, his modified vehicle
was getting the equivalent of a gallon of gasoline (~115,000 BTU or 1.2E8 joule) per ounce of water.
 
The best water electrolyzers require 25 Kilowatt-hours/LB
or 25/16 = 1.56 Kilowatt-hours per Ounce.
Assuming regular electrolysis energy input, recombination of  one
ounce 454/16 =28.37 grams of H2O from H and OH should
yield  1.56 Kw-hr  (5.6E6 joule).
 
IOW. a Free Energy benefit of 1.2E8/5.6E6 = 21.5 from somewhere?
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 5/25/2006 2:04:12 AM
Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer Metal-Water Interface, Joe Cell Etc

THE INTERACI’ION OF WATER WITH SOLID SURFACES:

FUNDAMENTAL ASPECTS

 
5 Dlssoclatlve adsorptlon on clean metals

5 1 Eqmhbrmm conslderatlons a survey of the Perlodlc Table

5 2 Kmetlc bamers

5 3 Examples of preferential dlssoclatlon on atomlcally rough surfaces

5 4 Reactions of dlssoclatlon products recombmatlon, desorptlon, and metal oxldatlon

 

Electrochemical  Capacitors (Ultracapacitors-Supercapacitors):

http://electrochem.cwru.edu/ed/encycl/art-c03-elchem-cap.htm

Otto and Diesel Cycles:

http://members.aol.com/engware/calc3.htm

The Joe Cell:

http://www.thejoecell.com/

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