BTW, Michel, our flat plate (12 SS plates about 70 cm^2 spaced 1 cm) with ~12 volts on the end plates (11 series cells at ~ 1.0 volts) with NaHCO3-Borax "catalyst" draws ~ 0.8 amps and produces copious gas, but we haven't done calorimetry on the gas yet.
As an aside, on a recent swing through Salt Lake city on a corporate business trip my son-in-law (still a kid at 50) left a day ahead so he could try a swim in the Great Salt Lake. He found it a lifting experience. Ever since the 5th grade (1943) when I saw a picture of people floating on top of the lake I've wanted to try that. Chalk up many son-in-law points for him. :-) Fred > [Original Message] > From: Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 5/29/2006 2:18:27 AM > Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer electrode > > Michel Jullian wrote: > > > > You guys are talking about Joe Cells as if they worked, do they in your > own experience? Last news we had from your experiment 1800 miles away > wasn't encouraging IIRC was it Fred? Something about energy out being only > a quarter of energy in, which I don't quite understand how it is possible > BTW. > > > Joe Cell Seminar > July 30, 2006; Salt Lake City, Utah, USA > Immediately Following the ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference > 12:30 pm - 5:30 pm > > http://www.pureenergysystems.com/academy/JoeCell2006/ > > "Peter Stevens, of NSW Australia, has been installing Joe cells on vehicles > for about 14 years. In that time, he estimates that he has installed > around 80 cells, 40-50 of which are exclusively running on a Joe cell, and > 30-40 of which were installed to assist diesel engines, giving them > improved efficiency of as much as 50%. He has kept in touch with and knows > off the top of his head of about 15 cars running with fuel line > disconnected." > > Taken with a gram of table salt, Michel. :-) > > Fred > > > > Michel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:23 AM > > Subject: RE: Helmholtz Layer electrode > > > > > > > Jones Beene wrote: > > >> > > >> --- Frederick Sparber wrote: > > >> > > >> > > Given that this kind of efficient electrolysis you > > >> > > have been talking about is a surface effect - why > > >> > > would you not maximize the surface area? such as > > >> > > by switching to a stainless steel foil, instead of > > >> tubes > > >> > > or plates - > > >> > > >> > Sure thing Jones. But the spacing may be a > > >> significant factor > > >> > > >> Yes, precisely. In fact the small size (volume) of the > > >> current Joe-Cell is fairly ridiculous, given that the > > >> Helmholtz parameters can only get better by going > > >> larger. For even a small ICE, it would seem that a > > >> 10-20 gallon shallow container - minimum- with maybe > > >> 100,000 cm^2 of SS foil electrodes might show clearer > > >> results, whereas the much smaller size of Joe is only > > >> working "on occasion" which appears to be the case. > > >> > > > You're pitting your recent experience against years of experience > > > gained by trial and error and "80 cars running on the Joe Cell" > > > when less than a month ago you said it was crap? > > > > > > The shallow depth concentric cylinder Capacitance-Resisistance Divider > in > > > the Joe Cell can > > > only be duplicated by using shallow series Capacitance-Resistance > Divider > > > stacked plates > > > even if you have to roll thin concentric barrel hoops and place them in > > > circular Anode pans stacked with adequate > > > vapor space on a Cathode pole in vapor chimney. > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Snip the Sidewalk Superintendent lecture. :-) > > > > > > >> Jones > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
