About calorimetry on the gas, I was wondering, could it be as simple as slow-burning it underwater as it is produced, in a torch whose tip is deeply immersed in a calorimetered bucket of water?
Er BTW if haven't done any calorimetry on the gas, what was the Eout in the Ein/Eout=4 ratio you told us about? Michel P.S. About the salt lake lifting experiment, I guess it could be tried in one's bath tub to see how it feels, the good old Archimedes way ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vortex-l" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer electrode > BTW, Michel, our flat plate (12 SS plates about 70 cm^2 spaced 1 cm) > with ~12 volts on the end plates (11 series cells at ~ 1.0 volts) with > NaHCO3-Borax > "catalyst" draws ~ 0.8 amps and produces copious gas, but we > haven't done calorimetry on the gas yet. > > As an aside, on a recent swing through Salt Lake city on > a corporate business trip my son-in-law (still a kid at 50) > left a day ahead so he could try a swim in the Great Salt Lake. > He found it a lifting experience. > Ever since the 5th grade (1943) when I saw a picture of people floating > on top of the lake I've wanted to try that. Chalk up many son-in-law points > for him. :-) > > Fred > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Date: 5/29/2006 2:18:27 AM >> Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer electrode >> >> Michel Jullian wrote: >> > >> > You guys are talking about Joe Cells as if they worked, do they in your >> own experience? Last news we had from your experiment 1800 miles away >> wasn't encouraging IIRC was it Fred? Something about energy out being only >> a quarter of energy in, which I don't quite understand how it is possible >> BTW. >> > >> Joe Cell Seminar >> July 30, 2006; Salt Lake City, Utah, USA >> Immediately Following the ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference >> 12:30 pm - 5:30 pm >> >> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/academy/JoeCell2006/ >> >> "Peter Stevens, of NSW Australia, has been installing Joe cells on > vehicles >> for about 14 years. In that time, he estimates that he has installed >> around 80 cells, 40-50 of which are exclusively running on a Joe cell, and >> 30-40 of which were installed to assist diesel engines, giving them >> improved efficiency of as much as 50%. He has kept in touch with and > knows >> off the top of his head of about 15 cars running with fuel line >> disconnected." >> >> Taken with a gram of table salt, Michel. :-) >> >> Fred >> > >> > Michel snip
