Reaction Kinetics: http://www.cheresources.com/reactionkinetics3.shtml
Radical Multiplication. H2O + O ---> 2 OH 2 OH + H2O ---> 3 OH + H 3 OH + H2O ---> 4 OH + H 4 OH + H2O ---> 5 OH + H 5 OH + H2O ---> 6 OH + H 6 OH + H2O ---> 7 OH + H 5 H + 7 OH + n H2O ----> ?? This is why the use of split Hydrogen Peroxide Vapor (HO-OH (liquid) + Heat ---> O + OH + H + H2O Vapor) in the newer low temperature sterilizers can chew up almost any pathogen. Same thing in the Joe Cell? Fred > [Original Message] > From: Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 6/3/2006 5:51:45 PM > Subject: Re: Water-based fuel for the ICE > > Jones Beene wrote: > > > > Fred > > > > >We ran it for several hours with distilled water only > > at about 1.9 milliamperes at 12 volts (24 milliwatts). nada gas > > > > Ha - several hours isn't enough. The way you would "precondition" > > the water for later use in the JC, is after about 12 hours - then > > use it for the ICE... obviously pure water won't draw enough > > current to be used without the preconditioning, and even then may > > require some electrolyte. > > > The most unpredictable variable is the guy doing the experimenting. > > > > Maybe the preconditioning has something to do with actually > > changing the water structure (clathrate-like) instead of, or in > > addition to, absorbing gases from the atmosphere - or dissolving a > > surface film off the electrode. > > > Or conditioning the metal surfaces with the dissolved acidic atmospheric > gases. > CO2 alone drops the pH to about 3.6.No problem getting it through > the exit tube. > OTOH, extraneous static electricity can "store" on the Helmholtz Layer- > Water-Metal interface (that's what Electrochemical Supercapacitors are > about) > and neutralize H3O+ or H+ ions which can induce Water Clustering Seeding > on the Residual OH- Ions. > My Cohort said at one electrode "it looked like smoke coming off" when the > cell was running. > > > > The Meyer power supply gives copious gas at milliamps but it is at > > least *2000* or more volts (up to 20,000 v supposedly in one > > incarnation), and has electronic controls, which cycles the pulse > > off - when breakdown occurs, which it does at a regular frequency, > > depending on the plate separation (about 250 Hz it seems in the > > demo). > > > Meyer's Water Supercapacitor Design should give an "Avalanche" like that at > breakdown. > > > > An optimized BG cell, like yours, at 10 watts should be compared > > in gas output to a 10 watt Meyer cell which is presumably > > operating at 2000 volts and 10 milliamps and 50% duty or whatever > > gives the same P-in. > > > If I was doing the experiment I would take off the power supply > and grab the Cat or a Wool Sweater and a Rubber Comb and see how much static > electricity it could hold, and how much H or H2 and Cluster "Smoke" > was being generated in the cell. > Forever Amber rub? > > > > At that point - perhaps a hybrid can be imagined. In either case > > most of the actual "power" (the OU) is not coming from the P-in > > but from a surface effect, and certainly the Meyer cell would seem > > to benefit the most from more surface area. > > > I've been saying that for weeks. > > > > Please have a look at that Lawton video clip, if you haven't > > already. I was hoping Patrick would post the interesting parts of > > the Lawton pdf, if there is real data there - as I don't want to > > have to join another forum, just to get it. Yahoo gives me enough > > problems as it is. > > > Can't do that. A friend sent the 4.5 megabyte clip on Klein's Fox news > report that took 1/2 hour to download on my dial-up. > > > > > Can you come with some appropriate incantations Jones? > > > > Well the incantation which needs to be heard is this. > > > > Does the "preconditioning" itself turn pure dielectric water into a > > conductive fluid, presumably no longer pure - but such that less > > voltage can be used for the same amount of gas, while still > > retaining the dielectric properties of pure water in order to get > > the "exploding capacitor effect" ? > > > "Exploding Supercapacitor Effect is on the mark. > > > > The story I have heard about Meyer's VW was that the cell was only > > using 200 watts to self-power at idle. Presumably, at less voltage > > when using a preconditioned water, the results would even be > > better - and perhaps with a large area of neutral plates, the net > > effect would be to push it from being "on occasion" self-powered > > to being "on demand"... > > > 200 watts multiplied by a lowly factor of 4 is one horsepower which is > more than adequate for VW engine idle and reactor power. > > > > But maybe you can do that with "only" BG techniques, who knows... > > > BG with BiG Surface Area is Supercapacitor too. > > Fred > > > > > Jones > > > >
