Ok, so the entrained neutrals with the ping pong balls decreases the air pressure just in front of balls, and this causes the rotator to rotate?
Harry On 3/6/2007 7:11 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: > Removing the balls doesn't change the polarity of the tips of course, but it > does change the direction of the entrained neutrals, due to more +ve ions > moving from the rotor tips towards the stator tips than there are -ve ions > moving from the stator tips towards the rotor tips. Only the -ve ion flow is > present with the balls on.(*) > > Michel > > (*)assuming +ve HV on the rotor, which is what a CRT flyback provides > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miklos Borbas Thruster?? > > >> You mean the polarity of the tips can be switched by >> adding or removing the ping pong ball? ;-) >> >> Harry >> >> >> >> On 3/6/2007 1:17 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: >> >>> Afterthought: to make the phenomenon completely clear it might also be >>> interesting to take a picture of the net ion wind going the other way (from >>> the rotor tips to the stator tips) when the balls are removed from the >>> locked >>> rotor. >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miklos Borbas Thruster?? >>> >>> >>> Great work again Kyle! >>> >>> I had expected things would be easier to see with the rotor locked. As a >>> matter of fact I believe I had suggested this test to Miklos himself ages >>> ago, >>> as well as what just turned out to be the correct explanation, but he wasn't >>> interested. So the front of the balls is indeed the ion discharge point as >>> we >>> had imagined initially, due to the ball being a lousy insulator. >>> >>> Can you post a photograph or a video of your test #2 somewhere? Ideally you >>> would need a smoke source under each corona emitter for results to be >>> totally >>> unambiguous, but this may not be easy to arrange, not to mention the smell >>> ;-) >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miklos Borbas Thruster?? >>> >>> >>>> Gentlemen, an update from the lab, >>>> >>>> Tests using smoke reveal the following: >>>> >>>> 1. With the Borbas device free to rotate, smoke is relatively unaffected >>>> in proximity to the device. It is hard to tell however exactly what is >>>> going on as the smoke is also being stirred around by the device motion. >>>> >>>> 2. With the device locked and unable to rotate, things get more >>>> interesting. There is a slight general movement of the smoke opposite >>>> the direction of which the device would want to rotate, were it free to >>>> do so. But the velocity of the smoke is very small; the volume of >>>> movement is very large however, extending several inches from the device >>>> in all directions, less so above and below it. Now, if the column of >>>> rising smoke is allowed to touch the stator corona wire, things are very >>>> clear to see: upon touching the corona wire, the smoke instantly makes a >>>> 90 degree turn and goes straight towards the balls, and at a much higher >>>> speed. It doesn't stop at the balls either, it goes right past them and >>>> then immediately behind them spreads out and joins the rest of the >>>> slowly moving air. >>>> >>>> 3. Outside of a thin polyethylene bag, there is still air flow. Image >>>> charges? It isn't high speed, but certainly is enough to contribute to >>>> thrusting action. >>>> >>>> 4. Removing the balls from the rotor wires and covering them with >>>> silicone resin reduced motion of the device (now set up free to rotate >>>> again) by about 1/2. Turning the corona wires in the opposite direction >>>> reversed the thrust. Making the corona wires point exactly radially >>>> outwards reduced the thrust to zero. Putting the corona wires back into >>>> their original (pointing towards the rotor) configuration but covered >>>> with silicone resin again gave zero thrust. It is my belief that given >>>> these results, the Borbas device is clearly conventional. >>>> >>>> 5. Per Horace's suggestion, I powered the device with AC. The results, >>>> were to say the least, disappointing. No thrust was observed using any >>>> of the configurations given above, save one. With rotor electrodes >>>> having a more flattened surface and corona wires very pointed, there was >>>> a slight motion, but I determined this to be again corona >>>> wind....insulating the pointed electrodes killed the effect. These >>>> results remained the same at 60cps, 400cps, 1500cps, 5000cps and 8000cps. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> --Kyle >>>> >>> >> >
