I'm amazed Philip that you would call my analysis lies and hypocrisy. We
can differ about what the facts mean, but I don't understand why you
can't acknowledge easily verifiable facts. Unfortunately, your reaction
is not uncommon and it is the reason why rational decisions are not
being made. So that you are not further confused by my approach, by
rational decisions I mean ones that would allow Israel to survive
without counting on the supernatural. Even the Bible advises that God
helps those who help themselves. I see no sign that Israel is taking
this advice in a rational way. Instead, they seem to have your approach.
No one blames Israel for everything. However, Israel is the cause of the
conflicts in that region of the world. You don't need to accept my
statement because many sources of this opinion are available. Right now
the price of oil is going up partly because of the conflict in Iraq and
the possibility that the US or Israel will attack Iran. You can easily
check this fact as well. The US has nothing to fear from a proposed
nuclear weapon from Iran. First, it can not reach us, they want us to
buy their oil in the future, and last but not least, we can turn them
into toast. Only Israel has something to fear, as Iran has made clear.
Consequently, we are helping Israel even though we have no direct threat
to ourselves, while paying dearly.
As for fighting thugs, you seem to forget that the people in Palestine
were first attacked when Israel was formed. Naturally, they fought back.
Now you use this response as a reason to fight them. This is the cycle
that always leads to destruction when the sides are evenly matched. That
is why Christ advised turning the other cheek. I don't advise this
approach now, but the brute force approach is not working either. Unless
rational decisions are made in the future, the result I fear will not
please either one of us.
As for further discussion of this topic, I apologize to anyone who finds
this boring or unimportant.
Ed
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote:
Hmmm... Ya don't think that higher oil prices are due to (1) greed, and
(2) the holy purpose of holding the world by the balls until the
Caliphate is established (ie - the West succumbs financially and goes
down the tubes)? It seems that the scientific idea of cause and effect
is somewhat inapplicable to the situation as you see it. Got a
migraine? It's Israel!!!!! It's the Jews!!! (Take your pick.)
Actions violating modern standards of behaviour? Exactly what
standards? I've been practising the martial arts for close to 30 years,
and I can tell you how best to handle murderous thugs... including those
populating that great tax waster, the UN. Like I said before, if a
person wants to harm my family or myself, I will spare no effort to put
an end to him. Perhaps you should think of what your gut reaction would
be in that kind of situation. I venture that if a thug - any thug -
came at you or your wife to commit mayhem and you had a gun handy, you
couldn't get to it fast enough. If not, you're not a normal human
being. This is the human condition. Survival. Not theological or
historical arguments.
No more walking passively into cattle-cars toward death, surrounded by
thugs.
Open your eyes Ed. That is, if you want to... which doesn't seem
apparent. Too much education and worship of the intellect, perhaps; try
using your intuition. Works also for solving Cold Fusion and other
energy-related problems.
To the others at Vortex; I didn't want to prolong this nonsense, but I
simply won't stand by passively when I see lies and hypocrisy in front
of me. It's called defamation, and it's been going on for a long time.
And it's going to have to stop, or there will be horrendous problems.
So I apologize to all.
P.
----- Original Message ----
From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:31:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
thomas malloy wrote:
> The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
> prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
> indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the Liberals
> support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW, comprise will get
> no where with the Islamists, it's counterproductive.
If this is the case Thomas, Israel better have God on its side because
otherwise the country is doomed. This conclusion is obvious to any
rational person, not just liberals. Here is a small country that is not
self sufficient without outside aid and is surrounding itself with walls
to protect itself from its neighbors. Meanwhile, it is surrounded by a
hostile population that is growing richer and increasing in numbers. At
the same time, the rest of the world is being significantly
inconvenienced by the consequences of the conflicts in the area, i.e.
higher oil prices. To make the situation worse for Israel, its actions
violate modern standards of behavior, as shown by the various UN
resolutions, both passed and proposed, that condemn its behavior. Surely
these facts must concern all Jews and Christians. At some point,
theological and historical arguments simply won't work any more. How
long must people wait until this reality becomes obvious?
Ed
>
> Edmund Storms wrote:
>
>> God's will. We are to believe that the Jews are more favored than the
>> Philistines by God and that the moral teachings of Christ allow such a
>> conquest. This is not a normal conflict! In addition, even if we
>> ignore the moral issue, the practical issue of Israel being able to
>> survive while being surrounded by angry people who have access to
>> rockets needs to be considered. Granted, Israel has won the pitched
>> battles. But, will they win the war without compromise?
>>
>> thomas malloy wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> R C Macaulay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Howdy Vorts,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs.
>>>>> This time the "wedge" is oil. The USA
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
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