As for fighting thugs, you seem to forget that the people in Palestine were first attacked when Israel was formed.
This is simply not true - a lie in fact - among many others I've seen from Ed. Ed can be as amazed as he wishes; his ignorance of history is spellbinding... And this is coming from a person who as a youngster, shunned history at school in favour of science. The people in Palestine were told to leave by their leaders, so that the Jews could be easily slaughtered by the better armed and very large Arab armies. It didn't happen. Prior to this time, the Jews in Arab lands were subjected to pogroms and had their houses and belongings confiscated. They were then forcibly expelled... those that weren't killed. PLEASE! I've told you this before, Ed, and I told you to read a damn history book or two; not a book by some Jewish holocaust denying wacko. Where does that put your mentality. Now - again, I'm sorry Vorticians.... I won't continue this fruitless conversation. I simply can't make the blind see. Out. P. ----- Original Message ---- From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds I'm amazed Philip that you would call my analysis lies and hypocrisy. We can differ about what the facts mean, but I don't understand why you can't acknowledge easily verifiable facts. Unfortunately, your reaction is not uncommon and it is the reason why rational decisions are not being made. So that you are not further confused by my approach, by rational decisions I mean ones that would allow Israel to survive without counting on the supernatural. Even the Bible advises that God helps those who help themselves. I see no sign that Israel is taking this advice in a rational way. Instead, they seem to have your approach. No one blames Israel for everything. However, Israel is the cause of the conflicts in that region of the world. You don't need to accept my statement because many sources of this opinion are available. Right now the price of oil is going up partly because of the conflict in Iraq and the possibility that the US or Israel will attack Iran. You can easily check this fact as well. The US has nothing to fear from a proposed nuclear weapon from Iran. First, it can not reach us, they want us to buy their oil in the future, and last but not least, we can turn them into toast. Only Israel has something to fear, as Iran has made clear. Consequently, we are helping Israel even though we have no direct threat to ourselves, while paying dearly. As for fighting thugs, you seem to forget that the people in Palestine were first attacked when Israel was formed. Naturally, they fought back. Now you use this response as a reason to fight them. This is the cycle that always leads to destruction when the sides are evenly matched. That is why Christ advised turning the other cheek. I don't advise this approach now, but the brute force approach is not working either. Unless rational decisions are made in the future, the result I fear will not please either one of us. As for further discussion of this topic, I apologize to anyone who finds this boring or unimportant. Ed PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: > Hmmm... Ya don't think that higher oil prices are due to (1) greed, and > (2) the holy purpose of holding the world by the balls until the > Caliphate is established (ie - the West succumbs financially and goes > down the tubes)? It seems that the scientific idea of cause and effect > is somewhat inapplicable to the situation as you see it. Got a > migraine? It's Israel!!!!! It's the Jews!!! (Take your pick.) > > Actions violating modern standards of behaviour? Exactly what > standards? I've been practising the martial arts for close to 30 years, > and I can tell you how best to handle murderous thugs... including those > populating that great tax waster, the UN. Like I said before, if a > person wants to harm my family or myself, I will spare no effort to put > an end to him. Perhaps you should think of what your gut reaction would > be in that kind of situation. I venture that if a thug - any thug - > came at you or your wife to commit mayhem and you had a gun handy, you > couldn't get to it fast enough. If not, you're not a normal human > being. This is the human condition. Survival. Not theological or > historical arguments. > > No more walking passively into cattle-cars toward death, surrounded by > thugs. > > Open your eyes Ed. That is, if you want to... which doesn't seem > apparent. Too much education and worship of the intellect, perhaps; try > using your intuition. Works also for solving Cold Fusion and other > energy-related problems. > > To the others at Vortex; I didn't want to prolong this nonsense, but I > simply won't stand by passively when I see lies and hypocrisy in front > of me. It's called defamation, and it's been going on for a long time. > And it's going to have to stop, or there will be horrendous problems. > > So I apologize to all. > > P. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:31:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds > > > > thomas malloy wrote: > > > The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent > > prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the > > indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the Liberals > > support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW, comprise will get > > no where with the Islamists, it's counterproductive. > > If this is the case Thomas, Israel better have God on its side because > otherwise the country is doomed. This conclusion is obvious to any > rational person, not just liberals. Here is a small country that is not > self sufficient without outside aid and is surrounding itself with walls > to protect itself from its neighbors. Meanwhile, it is surrounded by a > hostile population that is growing richer and increasing in numbers. At > the same time, the rest of the world is being significantly > inconvenienced by the consequences of the conflicts in the area, i.e. > higher oil prices. To make the situation worse for Israel, its actions > violate modern standards of behavior, as shown by the various UN > resolutions, both passed and proposed, that condemn its behavior. Surely > these facts must concern all Jews and Christians. At some point, > theological and historical arguments simply won't work any more. How > long must people wait until this reality becomes obvious? > > Ed > > > > Edmund Storms wrote: > > > >> God's will. We are to believe that the Jews are more favored than the > >> Philistines by God and that the moral teachings of Christ allow such a > >> conquest. This is not a normal conflict! In addition, even if we > >> ignore the moral issue, the practical issue of Israel being able to > >> survive while being surrounded by angry people who have access to > >> rockets needs to be considered. Granted, Israel has won the pitched > >> battles. But, will they win the war without compromise? > >> > >> thomas malloy wrote: > >> > >>> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> R C Macaulay wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Howdy Vorts, > >>>>> > >>>>> Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs. > >>>>> This time the "wedge" is oil. The USA > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > > >
