--- "Stephen A. Lawrence" wrote: > But once you've formed sodium chloride you can't use that same energy over again -- it's long gone.
Agreed - but the unanswered question is: can you use the "something else again" which you later mention to replace a "borrowed" electron... > The energy to separate the sodium and chloride ions in the salt crystals when they go into solution is something else again. Precisely - this is the crux of the hypothesis. Is the zero point field involved in that, or is ionization explainable in its entirety as thermal? - I don't think it is entirely thermal. First off - there is "classic" ionization and then there is QM "tunnel" ionization. The later is of course ionization due to quantum tunneling. In classical ionization an electron must have enough energy to make it over the potential barrier, and if in a cell of this type, it is subsequently "borrowed" from chlorine i.e. to split water by transfer of the electron to a temporarily displaced proton (displaced from the hydroxyl ion which was "restructured" by the RF wave passing through) then there is a transient local energy deficit ... ... but quantum tunneling could allow a lower energy electron simply to go through the potential barrier, instead of going over it because of the wave nature of the electron... not to mention the "probability enhancement" which could be stimulated of the short wave RF- which is apparently resonant to sodium. [side note] several months ago, when this first Kanzius new story came out, Dr. Roy stated that the 13.56 MHz was resonant to the sodium ion. Several observers asked for clarification of that (including Keith) and AFAIK - no reference for that resonance form the scientific literature was found or published; and the detail does not appear in the current paper. But Roy did say it, and he has been at this kind of thing for four decades. Also, it is clear that he is keeping some details of this experiment close to the vest. Another possible way of stating this gainfulness, if it exists, in respect to ZPE would be that the energy deficit stimulates the Dirac epo field to supply the missing energy, if not the physical missing electron itself (from the "sea" of negative energy). Let me make it clear that a gainful anomaly itself has yet to be demonstrated, and may not exist, but if it were somehow to be proved, the main point of the above scenario is that there does exist "a way" that it can happen - which is arguably within physics (to the extent Dirac is ;-) and even arguably within the LoT (ZPE being an external input). Jones
