On Dec 9, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Ed,
Well I think that we now have honed-down the differing points-of-
view to Planck time <g>
Indeed. But let me add one more argument. We agree that C13 differs
from C12 by the presence of one additional neutron. Therefore, for a
C12 to become C13, the mass of one neutron must be added for the
atomic mass of C13 to equal what is measured. This mass must come
from somewhere and it must be equal to the mass of a neutron once it
enters the C12 nucleus.
You seem to be saying that something with a mass nearly equal to the
difference between C12 and C13 enters the C12 nucleus. Because the
mass change is nearly zero, the energy change is also nearly zero.
This proposed particle converts to a neutron once it enters the C12,
thereby giving the C13 all the expected properties that an extra
neutron provides without releasing any energy to the outside world.
So, I ask, where does this amazing particle come from and where does
the energy come from to make it in the apparatus?
Ed
You seem to be saying that even if a transmuton exists, it becomes a
real unbound neutron (high mass) prior to becoming a bound (stable
average mass) neutron.
In contrast, I am suggesting that it never becomes an unbound
neutron; and instead appears ab initio as a bound (stable mass)
particle without ever going through the stage of "real neutron" so
there is no (or only slight) additional energy to dissipate.
Jones
When C12 is converted to C13 by addition of a neutron, the
following
mass change occurs:
12.0000000 + 1.0086649 = 13.0033548, which represent a loss of mass
equal to 0.0053101 AMU. This is equal to 4.95 MeV. The mechanism
does
not matter. If C12 is the starting material and C13 is the
product,
this much energy MUST be removed.
No one denies this Ed. You seem to be missing the point.
The point is that C12 has a cross section for neutrons which is so
very low that this reaction above will NEVER happen in practice, so
the energy content before and after, of a real neutron, is
absolutely meaningless to this situation.
We are not dealing with a real neutron reaction. Period
I agree, Jones. However, if C12 is converted to C13, a real neutron
must be added. This real neutron might have been a virtual neutron at
one time, but once it enters the C12 nucleus, it has to become a real
neutron to make C13 real C13. Once this happens, by whatever magic
you
can imagine, the mass balance must take place.
Ed
OK let's move on from there. You may complain that my invention of a
"transmuton" which derives from a proton initially but has far less
mass to loose, when it is adsorbed by 12C as a neutral energy poor
particle - has no basis of fact in prior science, and that is
clearly true.
I will agree that for now - the transmuton or virtual neutron or
whatever one wishes to label it - is a "construct" or an invention
which serves a specific purpose. It could easily be fiction.
But it is a construct in exactly the same sense that the neutrino
was for many decades a construct, a fiction and an invention - which
served a specific purpose ... that is, until the neutrino was
discovered to be both real and very close to having the physical
properties that its inventors thought it would have when it was
"constructed".
Jones
