On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
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How can anyone, especially those that haunt this particular forum,
where the emphasis is on LENR or many types which are seen in the
literature - possibly expect this unique Mizuno reaction to
resemble prior hot fusion in any specific way? ... or for that
matter, their own version of cold fusion?
Hey, that is why we give this niche its own general name - LENR!
and it is not limited to D+D-->He anymore than hot fusion is
limited to a specific reaction !
Hope that helps ...
Jones
While I agree the above and the snipped material may all or partially
be true, but it may also be important to keep in mind that the
assumed C13 presence may be a mistake of some kind, and thus much of
the discussion in this thread moot. If so, the excess energy and
gammas may indeed simply be from D+D-> He4 or p+D-> He3. I can
readily, even before breakfast, assume 13 impossible things exist,
including the production of C13 without the appropriate particle
signatures and excess enthalpy. However, it may also be the excess
enthalpy and gammas are caused by ordinary deuterium fusion, or even
LENR with the metal lattice used in the catalyst or the walls of the
pressure vessels. We should not forget that helium appears to play a
role in the experiment.
As I posted earlier:
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Something that may be of general interest is that helium implantation
on the surface of SUS316L may increase its absorbtion of hydrogen. See:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1998NIMPB.136..483O
"We have studied the effects of helium incorporation on trap-sites of
hydrogen in high-purity stainless steel SUS316L. We implanted 10 and
30keV He ions into high-purity SUS316L samples with several doses
ranging from 3x10^15 to 1x10^17/cm2 and then 30keV hydrogen ions with
a dose of 1x10^17/cm2 at a temperature of 300K, and then observed
depth profiles and thermal behavior of hydrogen in the samples by
means of the elastic recoil detection (ERD) method. It was found that
hydrogen implanted into the high-purity SUS316L is chemically
absorbed in helium cavities."
Helium implantation, by either ion implantation, thermal
implantation, or electrochemical implantation plus fusion, may
provide a nuclear active surface zone?
See also:
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2722217
for data regarding thermal implantation of helium vs hydrogen in
various materials, including Inconel 625.
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AFAIK, the subject experiments by Mizuno are the first LENR
experiments using high temperature Fe materials with pressurized
hydrogen and He. I expect similar or better experiments using Mo or
Mo-Fe-C alloys at high temperatures an pressures. I would expect the
best allow for the pressure vessel would not be the best alloy for
supporting the reaction. It is interesting the resulting material
was black. Perhaps some of the hydrogen taken made He, and other
hydrogen was involved in higher molecular weight organics, leaving a
deposit consisting mostly of carbon. (Of course if it is *all* carbon
a molecular weight of 13 must indeed be C13.)
In any case, I think keeping an open mind about all these issues is
important until the facts are in, if that is possible given Mizuno's
present situation. It is clearly also important to follow up on the
old (creosote or coal hydrogenation?) excess enthalpy information
from scratch. It would be good to have details on that, which might
only be possible through Jed or another translation source.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
