I find it incomprehensible that anyone could seriously support communism/socialism and actually be talking about the same thing that created some of the greatest atrocities that have ever occurred and been so dysfunctional as to then fall part.
So if that is not what you mean, if you are not championing the murder and oppression of humanity then say so. There are many positive examples of something that could be termed positive examples of socialism in the west, socialistic health care practiced in most places seems more attractive than the capitalistic version in the US being just one example and you don't need to watch Michael Moore's "Sicko" to recognize it. On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:27 AM, grok <g...@resist.ca> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > As the smoke cleared, John Berry <aethe...@gmail.com> > mounted the barricade and roared out: > > > I think that it is clear to everyone that socialism, communism in > > anything like the form that we have seen in the past is not what anyone > > is talking about, not even the theory/ideals of Marxism would have any > > fans. > > List hypocrisy and trolling for Ayn Rand aside -- guess what? Reality > doesn't much care what you and your friends think, fella. You're just > regurgitating decades of brainwashing, AFAIC. Doesn't make what you say > the least true. So what if millions of [ex-]"middle-class" suburban > drones agree with you? They're grasping at straws, right about now. > They'll believe anything in their (whipped-up) hysteria. Even fascism. > Which is the immediate goal of the Rightwing of the U.S. ruling-class, > actually... > > You north americans and brits are about to find out the very real limits > of capitalism -- and all its support structures (like your totalitarian > mass-propaganda media, for instance). And liberals and even neocon- > fascists can burble-on about the "new green economy" all they want, too: > your very REAL collective problem _remains_ the capitalist mode of > production itself -- as the entire Planet has just found out, and can > clearly see for itself right now. > > 'Atlantis' indeed... > Beam me up. > > > - -- grok. > > > > > > - -- > *** FULL-SPECTRUM DOMINANCE! *************************************** > * BOYCOTT BOURGEOIS MASS-MEDIA * RSS/XML newsfeeds from around * > * Use these links in RSS readers * the planet: Who needs CNN/Fox? * > **** Critical endorsement only **** Most sites need donations **** > * http://southafrica.indymedia.org/newswire.rss Azania IndyMedia * > * http://sopsy.com/rss/empireNotes Empire Notes * > * http://www.dominionpaper.ca/index.rdf The Dominion * > *************** Only *Dialog* Is Truly Free Speech *************** > GPG fingerprint = 2E7F 2D69 4B0B C8D5 07E3 09C3 5E8D C4B4 461B B771 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFJopZOXo3EtEYbt3ERAopqAKDWnzuZGeiLEm4NmceWO1Zf9jhxhQCdEnfg > s0+mR6D/6Se1RLbRTZ6bkxY= > =FVdd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >
