Of course Sean may be "right." In a sense. But wrong if we take "No back EMF" as an absolute, and wrong in the implications.

I don't think I've seen how the Orbo motor allegedly works stated clearly.

The drive current doesn't accelerate the rotor directly, or, more accurately perhaps, it doesn't do that with most of the current. Rather it turns on and off the attraction of the toroid core for the permanent magnets in the rotor.

If we are talking about "substantial" rather than making absolute statements, there is no back-EMF. That's the design!

But what's really suspicious and an astounding claim is that Sean is claiming that twice as much work is done on the rotor as is dissipated in the toroid. And we have not seen one shred of evidence regarding that, we haven't seen figures for the rotational energy/rotational velocity of the rotor (easy to calculate from theory, and to measure, in fact), nor have we seen information on the power drawn from the battery, nor have we seen correlated data: acceleration of the rotor and power dissipation from the battery.

We only have Sean's claim, with no data at all: twice as much energy going into the rotor as is going into heat.

We have seen oscilloscope plots of voltage vs. current, showing no back EMF, at a gross level. But none at all? How much would it take to have an effect on the rotor?

This is what I've seen: the rotor is on a magnetic bearing, extremely low friction, so the rotor can accumulate energy that is provided in tiny bursts. There are transients in the oscilloscope plots that Sean waves away. All it takes is a little leakage.

If, in fact, there were twice as much energy appearing in the rotor, that rotor would accelerate with extreme rapidity, and low-friction bearings would be completely unnecessary.

Hence, my conclusion: Sean is lying about the twice the energy thing. He doesn't know that at all.

Calorimetry? Hopeless! The acceleration is apparently coming from a very small energy transfer, a tiny fraction of what is being dissipated from the battery. However, of course, if there is 300% power, i.e., some brake is put on the rotor that causes any rotor energy to be dissipated as heat, and there are appropriate controls, etc., etc., calorimetry should be quite effective. We will see, of course, what the calorimetry company comes up with. Or will we see some excuse. Remember, the calorimetry apparently hasn't been done yet. Sean is, as before, making predictions.

Gosh, something happened and the calorimetry company had to withdraw. Sorry, folks.

And, remember, Sean justifies the battery because he needs to handle very high transient currents? Wait a minute? Why high transient currents? What would happen without these high transient currents, what if the current were limited to some value, still enough to accomplish the transition in a time short compared to magnet proximity?

Remember, again, Steorn has never disclosed what effect they discovered. That's what they are selling, in fact. So don't hold your breath. But, my prediction: when the smoke clears, he was lying. Not merely making a mistake.

I'm saying that if he's claimed 300% (100% plus 200%), without having decent evidence for that, but merely some prediction based on conditions or measurements not made yet, or extrapolated from measurements so small within the context of possible noise, like a few milliwatts of anomaly measured in the presence of a hundred watts of power dissipation, he's lying. He is attempting to create an impression of knowledge that doesn't exist.

If he'd said, "We predict from what we know...." not a lie. But that's not what he's written.

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