What if one loaded a looped electrode, as usual, in some sort of salt-solution, then ran current through the loop-coil of just the one electrode, but this time in a non-conductive solution?
Scott > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a > conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, > re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O > microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010. > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:09:19 -0700 > > Thanks, Michel Jullian, for the ripple voltage idea. > > I'd really like to access any other posts that discuss this error in the > past -- was there ever much discussion about it on Vortex-L or any other > venue? > > Rich > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michel Jullian" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a > conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal > plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H > and O microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010. > > > But Rich, like others who mentioned this before (as I recall Mike > Carrell did), is right that the component of the internal field due to > the *externally* applied DC Electric field in some SPAWAR experiments, > through insulating walls, should rapidly reach zero in the electrolyte > and stay there. > > I suggested at the time that what might be operative in modifying the > cauliflower like structure of the deposits was the AC component of the > field due to the HV supply's unavoidable ripple voltage at its > switching frequency (typically 20 kHz), however small it may be. A > simple way to test this hypothesis would be to use a high voltage > capacitor instead of a HV supply. > > Michel > > 2010/2/23 Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected]>: > > > > > > On 02/22/2010 10:32 PM, Rich Murray wrote: > >> > >> Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting > >> liquid > >> in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by > >> SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O > >> microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010.02.22 > >> http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.htm > >> Monday, February 22, 2010 > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/42 > >> _____________________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> > >> Each charged plate attracts enough ions of the opposite charge right to > >> the side of the conducting electrolyte against its insulating wall, until > >> the > >> charge on the plate is exactly balanced -- thus each side is a separate > >> charged capacitor, connected by the "wire" of the liquid. > >> > >> All the electric field exists only in the insulating walls of the two > >> capacitors -- no electric field exists inside the liquid. > > > > This is true only so long as no current is flowing through the liquid. > > > > Just as in the case of a wire, if there's current flowing in a > > conducting liquid, then there's an electric field in the liquid, as > > well. (Otherwise, what do you think makes the ions move?) > > > > It's a common *approximation* to say there's no E field in a conductor > > but it's not generally true, save in electrostatics. > > > > My general impression is that electrolytic cells used in CF experiments > > do indeed have a current flowing through them. Therefore there is also > > an electric field present throughout the region of the electrolyte > > between the electrodes. :-) > > > > If the experiments were done with a superconducting electrolyte the > > story would be different, of course. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/
