Thanks, Michel Jullian, for the ripple voltage idea.
I'd really like to access any other posts that discuss this error in the
past -- was there ever much discussion about it on Vortex-L or any other
venue?
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel Jullian" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a
conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal
plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H
and O microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010.
But Rich, like others who mentioned this before (as I recall Mike
Carrell did), is right that the component of the internal field due to
the *externally* applied DC Electric field in some SPAWAR experiments,
through insulating walls, should rapidly reach zero in the electrolyte
and stay there.
I suggested at the time that what might be operative in modifying the
cauliflower like structure of the deposits was the AC component of the
field due to the HV supply's unavoidable ripple voltage at its
switching frequency (typically 20 kHz), however small it may be. A
simple way to test this hypothesis would be to use a high voltage
capacitor instead of a HV supply.
Michel
2010/2/23 Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected]>:
On 02/22/2010 10:32 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting
liquid
in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by
SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O
microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010.02.22
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.htm
Monday, February 22, 2010
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/42
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Each charged plate attracts enough ions of the opposite charge right to
the side of the conducting electrolyte against its insulating wall, until
the
charge on the plate is exactly balanced -- thus each side is a separate
charged capacitor, connected by the "wire" of the liquid.
All the electric field exists only in the insulating walls of the two
capacitors -- no electric field exists inside the liquid.
This is true only so long as no current is flowing through the liquid.
Just as in the case of a wire, if there's current flowing in a
conducting liquid, then there's an electric field in the liquid, as
well. (Otherwise, what do you think makes the ions move?)
It's a common *approximation* to say there's no E field in a conductor
but it's not generally true, save in electrostatics.
My general impression is that electrolytic cells used in CF experiments
do indeed have a current flowing through them. Therefore there is also
an electric field present throughout the region of the electrolyte
between the electrodes. :-)
If the experiments were done with a superconducting electrolyte the
story would be different, of course.
