On 02/23/2010 09:53 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: > But Rich, like others who mentioned this before (as I recall Mike > Carrell did), is right that the component of the internal field due to > the *externally* applied DC Electric field in some SPAWAR experiments, > through insulating walls, should rapidly reach zero in the electrolyte > and stay there.
Yes, you're right; I didn't read the whole message carefully before I replied and so I misunderstood the point being made. > > I suggested at the time that what might be operative in modifying the > cauliflower like structure of the deposits was the AC component of the > field due to the HV supply's unavoidable ripple voltage at its > switching frequency (typically 20 kHz), however small it may be. A > simple way to test this hypothesis would be to use a high voltage > capacitor instead of a HV supply. > > Michel > > 2010/2/23 Stephen A. Lawrence <[email protected]>: >> >> >> On 02/22/2010 10:32 PM, Rich Murray wrote: >>> >>> Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid >>> in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by >>> SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O >>> microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010.02.22 >>> http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.htm >>> Monday, February 22, 2010 >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/42 >>> _____________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> Each charged plate attracts enough ions of the opposite charge right to >>> the side of the conducting electrolyte against its insulating wall, until >>> the >>> charge on the plate is exactly balanced -- thus each side is a separate >>> charged capacitor, connected by the "wire" of the liquid. >>> >>> All the electric field exists only in the insulating walls of the two >>> capacitors -- no electric field exists inside the liquid. >> >> This is true only so long as no current is flowing through the liquid. >> >> Just as in the case of a wire, if there's current flowing in a >> conducting liquid, then there's an electric field in the liquid, as >> well. (Otherwise, what do you think makes the ions move?) >> >> It's a common *approximation* to say there's no E field in a conductor >> but it's not generally true, save in electrostatics. >> >> My general impression is that electrolytic cells used in CF experiments >> do indeed have a current flowing through them. Therefore there is also >> an electric field present throughout the region of the electrolyte >> between the electrodes. :-) >> >> If the experiments were done with a superconducting electrolyte the >> story would be different, of course. >> >> > >
