Jones, I also appreciate, and benefit from, your contributions. Even in your reply you Added a concept that I never previously considered, [snip] " Since the "springs" are kept in place, at least partly by ZPE, according to Puthoff - then there is net gain at the expense of ZPE. That is where this strained metaphor is going." [/snip] Are you suggesting that in these condensed states the orbitals are so tightly linked that the restoration force Puthoff describes As restoring spontaneous emission can be the spring returning energy while change in gravity at the nano level (suppression) is the compressing force? A resonant tank powered by the restoration force? Regards Fran
-----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:New MOND order? Hey guys - thanks for the kind words. I think gravity could be an strong candidate, at the nano-level in enhancing the vibrational mode of the active material. This is not LENR, but it could be gainful. The details are murky, and the putative gain is speculative- but look at it this way. If you place a 10 gram disk (coin) on top of a strong spring (cam spring from an auto) and heat the disk with a propane torch to 400 C, the assembly will barely vibrate as it cools. A microphone can be used to pickup the vibrational sound and it is datalogged. Next, if you replace the small disk with a kilogram disk, and heat to the same temp, the assembly will vibrate much more intensely and for longer, but of course, you added more heat initially so this is where the analogy ends. This is the best example I can come up with so far. The leap of faith is that in this metaphor, the dense pycno is the heavier disk but it is really the same net weight, only with a gravitational pull to the nearest nuclei which make it act as if it were much heavier, since it is much denser and closer (the pycno is 2D) - ERGO the same heat input makes it vibrate more intensely than if it were less dense. When anything vibrates intensely in the near IR frequencies - that is heat. If it vibrates is in excess of the input, in the analogy above, then the "spring" together with gravity are responsible for some of the gain. Metaphorically, the spring is the 'outer orbitals' of adjacent atoms and the increased pull from gravity enhances the vibrational modes. Since the "springs" are kept in place, at least partly by ZPE, according to Puthoff - then there is net gain at the expense of ZPE. That is where this strained metaphor is going. Hal may not agree with the way this is presented, and admittedly I need to find a better analogy, but maybe this explains it to some degree. Bottom line: much of the heat in the Rossi device may be coming from the zero point field, and the slight amount of radiation present indicates only that there is a (secondary) by-product of ZPE extraction, which is nuclear. -----Original Message----- From: Mauro Lacy Subject: Re: [Vo]:New MOND order? Horace Heffner wrote: > Jones, > > I love your brain storming ability par excellance. I have found it > inspiring on numerous occasions. Yes, me too. > > Personally, I don't think gravity has anything to do with cold fusion. I'm practically sure it has. I'm practically sure too that cosmic effects are at play. The issue with reproducibility is related to the fact that there are missing factors in the equation, and those factors are related to cosmic energies and events, in my opinion. I dare to make a prediction: Until cosmic effects are taken into account, transmutation of substance will not be understood. Incidentally, that's why the ancient alchemists were so worried about the position of the planets and the moment of the day when doing their experiments. They were trying to understand the relation between cosmic energies and the transmutation of substance. Regards, Mauro
