-----Original Message----- From: Roarty, Francis > Are you suggesting that in these condensed states the orbitals are so tightly linked that the restoration force Puthoff describes as restoring spontaneous emission can be the spring returning energy while change in gravity at the nano level (suppression) is the compressing force?
Well, yes - at least to the extent that something along these lines cannot be ruled out as the driving force for excess energy when there is so little evidence of a nuclear origin, as with the Rossi device. We need to base any theory on experimental results, and LENR does not fit the (apparent) Rossi results as well as a few alternatives (including Mills, for the sake of argument). "Gravity" alone may be an overly simplified catch-all, and we would need to consider all forces that are tied to inverse power laws. Simply having a dense material present (reduced to two dimensions) which is attracted to a greater extent via any complex number of forces might be enough to void the normal expectations of CoE. The vastly increased density of the reactant, juxtaposed the inverse power law, makes the process ultimately asymmetrical. Plus - a "transaction rate" at infrared vibrational frequencies will multiply very small asymmetries to useful proportions. Look at it this way - nuclear reactions do not violate conservation of energy, which is based on valence electron reactions. When the reaction moves beyond valence states (chemistry), then CoE no longer applies even if the reaction on moves to deep inner orbitals. But this does not answer "where" the excess energy derives, especially since we have eliminated nuclear changes as being involved. Essentially, this is the same dilemma facing the Mills hydrino, which he answers as relating to reduced angular momentum of lepton spin. ZPE provides a different answer to a similar question, and it should be noted that Mills specifically rejects ZPE. I think this is precisely where he has erred. If it came down to betting on Mills, or betting on Puthoff, I know where my money is going ... but I can understand how both approaches are insufficient as they currently exist. Jones
