*Serious LENR research* is that made by Piantelli and this stays irrespective from Rossi's results. Rossi's idea to make a perfect experiment with 330 combined E cats instead of 3, 33, 330 perfect experiments with individual E-cats is kind of techno-fiction (to use an euphemism) Peter
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Horace Heffner <hheff...@mtaonline.net>wrote: > I still think ice calorimetry I suggested last January is a better idea, > because it is based on first principles, is very accurate, and can be used > throughout an experiment to achieve the very essential *total energy > balance*, vs just a snapshot power measurement, which can be very deceiving. > The only difficulty is providing enough ice for the duration of the > experiment. Still, ice calorimetry is very affordable and feasible. > > Despite this, I suggested last April similar steam codensation methods > combined with isoperibolic calorimetry. > > http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44947.**html<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44947.html> > http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44953.**html<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44953.html> > http://www.mail-archive.com/**vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg48555.**html<http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg48555.html> > > I would note that steam sparging can have large errors due to steam > escaping, due to variability in measuring the temperature decline curve, due > to variations in the calorimetry constant with temperature, and due to > imperfect stirring techniques. See my reference in one of the above posts > for an actual application where I applied thermal decline curve measurement > and estimated a complete energy balance. > > Ultimately, the best method involves simultaneous dual calorimetry > techniques which establish *total energy balances*, like that used by > Earthech International: > > http://www.earthtech.org/**experiments/ICCF14_MOAC.pdf<http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/ICCF14_MOAC.pdf> > > and which in the past has been provided free of charge. Earthtech also has > excellent equipment for measuring total electrical energy in. The Rossi > devices can be treated like black boxes, with no knowledge of any trade > secrets or internals required. > > The above things are no secret! This stuff has been discussed on this list > and other lists in which one or more of the involved scientists are members. > > Krivit's recent article that discusses the calorimetry issues I think is > right on point, or on seven points if you will. Further, if there were any > real interest in applying serious science this would have been accomplished > 6 months ago. > > It is still, after more than 6 months of apparently meaningless discussion > on many lists, incredible that it could be expected that anyone would invest > a dime in this technology without the most basic and inexpensive science > being applied. Has no one heard of due diligence? > > Perhaps we will see serious practical results in October or November as > promised. If not, this affair could set the prospects for serious LENR > research back another 20 years. > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~**hheffner/<http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/> > > > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > Hallo, >> >> I stumbled upon in the internet a very simple method for doing >> extremely accurate (up to two or three significant digits, depending >> on insulation) calorimetric analysis for any water boiler. Method is >> simple and all measurements are accurate: >> >> – Just weight 5 kg water into bucket. >> – Measure the temperature of water. (preferred temperature is the same >> as inlet water temperature) >> – Put hot water/steam outlet hose into bucket for 5 minutes. >> – After the experiment, weight the water in the bucket and measure the >> temperature change. >> – To refine accuracy, after the experiment, observe for 5 min how fast >> 70°C water is cooling. >> >> This gives accurately the amount of heat outlet hose is carrying with >> steam and hot water. It is sad that Mats Lewan did not realize this >> simple to do calorimetric method. If he had realized this, he would >> have observed ΔT to be around 30-40°C and this would have spared us >> all from lots of excess heat generated in discussion forums. >> >> This is also strong argument that sloppy science in E-Cat >> demonstrations was not Rossi's fault, but those independent observers, >> such as Galantini, Levi, Lewan, Kullander & Essén, could have just >> pointed out this simple and accurate calorimetric method, if they had >> been smart enough. But instead Galantini, Kullander, etc. performed >> irrelevant measurements when they tried to measure wetness of steam, >> although it is well known fact that all water boilers on Earth produce >> ca. 98% quality steam (±0.015), in normal pressure. >> >> –Jouni >> >> > > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
