Horace, I think Lewan's thinking is the following: - the system is more or less at steady-state - the flow into the T-tube (let's call it 'outlet_overflow') was (more or less) constant, - the liquid water coming out the end of the HOSE was then: Outlet_overflow + condensation_in_the_hose
-Mark -----Original Message----- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:11 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Rossi sells home to finance demo On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 02:26 PM 9/22/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: >> Lewan couldn't use it? > > I can't find his statement that he measured the outflow through the > T-trap. I don't THINK I imagined it .... > > I don't see how it is possible to get reasonable measurement using the T-trap. If you look at the film at around 3:50 you can see the T- trap is full. If you then look at 4:25 you can see the flow is very fast, and could fill up the T-trap in a few seconds at most. A small plastic container is being used by hand to capture the flow. Likely that was later weighed. Here is the film URL: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece Here are the notes regarding water overflow: 20:50 Overflow was approximately 3,7 grams/s or 13 kg/hour. T2=29.3° C, T3=90.3°C. 20:55 Overflow decreases. T2=29.2°C, T3=93.4°C. 21:50 Liquid water at the outlet was measured and found to vary between 1.4 and 1.8 grams/s or from 5.0 to 6.5 kg/hour. So, it was not your imagination the overflow was measured. My point (see below) was merely that the T-trap could not be used to make the overflow measurements, at least not accurately. Measuring required removing the hose and using a container to catch the flowing water. Very inconvenient to do frequently. The T-trap was highly under sized. On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > >> At 12:18 PM 9/22/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: >>> Fit a transparent silicone rubber hose to this steam outlet, so >>> we can see the water overflow and remove all doubts. >> >> He sort-of did this for Lewan's September demo. The white >> section at the outlet has a transparent T-connection. (Video >> 4:22). Lewan said measuring the overflow at the T-trap gave the >> same results as disconnecting the hose entirely. I don't know why >> Lewan didn't measure the overflow at regular intervals. > > > The overflow was obviously much larger than expected. It looked > like the T-trap would fill in seconds. It looked like it was a > closed end T. If it were an open end T then the steam would pour > out as well. > > >> >> So .. Rossi made it available, Lewan didn't use it. Who's to blame? > > Lewan couldn't use it? Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/